2023 - Preseason Week 1: Jets @ Panthers

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  1. tomdeb

    tomdeb Well-Known Member

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    As you said Hackett, adapts his scheme to the players' strengths, not the reverse. Good for him.
    Completely opposite of former jet Coach Herman Edwards who was damn determined to make DE Shaun Ellis a DT, before finally giving that up. :D
    Same for whomever made DT Sheldon Richardson and DE Quinton Coples LBs. Stupid ideas.
     
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    I don't think that he felt rushed, but guess he could have. It looked to me like it was such an easy pass that he knew he could complete it without having to set his feet. That's part of his confidence in his arm and natural accuracy. If I'm correct, maybe that's a mistake on his part, but I really don't recall that being a problem when he wsa at BYU or early in his rookie season. Granted, the NFL is a different animal, but unless inaccuracy raises its ugly head again, I"m not sure it's a concern. It could just be that he needs to get comfortable and confident in the NFL, has consistent success, and he can continue to work on his mechanics as part of his effort to keep improving. I'm not certain that's something he has to do first i order to succeed.
     
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    I hope not!!!!!! Our OL could wind up being fine and all the angst and worrying be for naught. If I were going to trade an Edge, it wouldn't be one of those two, it would be one of Clemons, Lawson or JFM.
     
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    Good observation. It bears watching. I think that will go away with more work and more time on the field in games.
     
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    Speaking of mechanics, how about the mechanics from QB Boyle on the TD to Kuntz last night--I think it was a jump pass. Hey, it worked. :D
     
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    I agree that he probably would, but so would Yeboah, Gipson, and Brownlee. I'd hate to lose any of them.
     
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    I haven't seen the 2nd half yet. I stayed up and watched the first half of the 1:00 am showing on the NFL Network. I'll catch the rest on Tuesday night or Thursday afternoon.
     
  8. tomdeb

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    Yeboah is another David Clowney--preseason star, not much more.
    Agree that Brownlee might not sneak thru to practice squad if waived.
    In a perfect world I might think about waiving WR Cobb and keep Gipson and/or Brownlee, but Rodgers wouldn't like that. :D
     
  9. NCJetsfan

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    I disagree Tom. He was a good prospect coming out of college. He made a lot of "wow" catches at Ole Miss. He has worked to improve his blocking and his focus. His weakness was that he would lose focus and drop too many passes. I haven't read of his dropping one single pass in TC. He has looked really good in both preseason games, and has about 5-6 TD passes in TC. I don't know if they keep statistics on that, but if so he may have more TD catches than any other Jets receiver in TC.

    Cobb is our 3rd down WR. There's no way he should go anywhere. His percentage of getting open and converting 3rd down opportunities to 1st downs is pretty incredible.

    Aside from his TD and his hurtle in the 1st half of yesterday's game, Kuntz really hasn't done anything yet.
     
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    Is your first paragraph referencing Yeboah? This is his third training camp with the jets--he was waived by the jets in 2021 AND 2022 before signing on the practice squad. No other team put in a waiver claim for him either year.
    Sure, he's a decent player, but I think Kuntz offers more untapped potential. Yeboah is what is--a training camp and preseason star. I don't think the jets will keep 5 TEs on the active roster, but who knows? The jets top 3 TEs are going nowhere.
    My opinion only, but if cut down day were tomorrow and if they are only keeping 4 TEs, I would keep Kuntz over Yeboah.,
     
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    On this note, I've been going back & forth on the idea that JD should try to move Huff now, for some decent draft capital... rather than losing him in FA.
    I think there's enough depth at DE, that if the Jets could get a good draft pick, do it, although I'd hate to see him go. There'll probably be a few talented young players that'll be cut.
    As much as JD's been criticized about his drafting, the influx of talented, hi-character kids, in just a few years, is remarkable. Especially, after so many years of a severe lack of talent...
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    Yes, my first paragraph is referencing Yeboah. I know how many years that he has been with the team. He doesn't have the natural athleticism of Kuntz but few players do, but he knows the scheme, has worked hard and at this point, I think is solid and reliable. Kuntz is still a great unknown. There's an old maxim that I think applies here. "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." IMO Yeboah is better than you think he is, and he's ready to contribute at a solid NFL- level this season. If they have SB aspirations, then I think it would be better to keep Yeboah unless Kuntz has shown that he's ready and reliable too.

    I know that the Jets are trying to maintain a balanced approach between going all in this season to win and not mortgaging or sacrificing the future for this season. They want to build the team for sustainable success. So it boils down to which they think is more important this season, perhaps having a more develop, reliable player in Yeboah who could step in and contribute immediately in two TE sets if an injury or two happen at the TE position, or keep Kuntz because of his higher ceiling and potential for the future. I trust them and won't get upset either way. I think I'll be able to understand what they do and why.

    The other thing is that AJ Jennings almost certainly could make the PS. His athleticism numbers are very similar and close to Kuntz, and he was much better in his collegiate career than Kuntz. So we would still have a Kuntz-like TE in Jennings waiting in the wings, and could still get the benefits of Yeboah this season.

    I understand, and it's also my opinion only. If cutdown day were tomorrow, I think I'd keep Yeboah. I'd rather have greater depth and potential for this season. That said, by the end of TC, I could change my mind if we start hearing more and more about Kuntz in practice reports, and if he really stands out in the last two preseason games.
     
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    I have to disagree. For starters, a draft pick won't help us win this year. Huff will. If he didn't have the highest pass rush success efficiency rating in the NFL last season, Huff was in the top 2-3. He could be the difference between getting to and winning a SB and not even making the playoffs this season. No draft pick is worth that difference. He has a 2nd round tender salary slot, and I don't know if another team would even give us a 2nd round pick. Huff is worth more than that to us. I wouldn't trade him for a 1st round pick.

    Saleh's defensive scheme is built upon the idea of having a very strong, deep DL of 9-10 players and rotating them to keep them fresh. So it was a goal for the team to develop that kind of DL. They've gotten there in terms of the DE position, but not quite yet at the DT position. Now that they have the DE position where they want it, why would they want to turn around and trade one of their best pass rushers? Also, after the Jets traded for Rodgers, Saleh said that the team is likely to have more 4th Qtr. leads and the team would have waves of fresh pass rushers to throw at opposing offenses. I doubt that he wants to risk messing that up. Injuries happen, they're a part of the game. JD would like mighty bad for trading Huff, if 1-2 of our Edges go down with season ending-injuries, and we no longer even had enough Edges to adequately rotate, much less have waves of fresh pass rushers to throw at opposing QBs in the 4th Qtr.

    I will be absolutely shocked if they trade Huff or any of the Edges. I think it would be a colossal mistake. The only way I'd even think about it is if both Brown and Becton get re-injured, and a team is willing to trade us a quality LT straight for Huff.
     
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    Zach was solid yesterday and he didn’t need to make wow throws with the Running game and dump off throws to RBs were working. That’s ok. Simple.

    RBs- were exceptional. No need for Cook imo.

    Defense was awesome. But can’t get too excited quite yet.
     
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    The trade we should do is Lawson to the Saints for James Hurst. We can afford to lose one of our defensive ends, probably the least valuable of them, for a dependable left tackle. Not sure if the Saints would do this deal (even though they do need a defensive end), but we could figure out a way to sweeten it a bit: maybe use some of the Rodgers pay cut money to take on a contract that they want to get rid of, or something like that.
     
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    This kid has legit burst and bend. He was misused a lot in Iowa State's wacky 3-3-5 defense. Playing the Wide 9 here, he's gonna be a problem, especially late in games.
     
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    Zach looked good but I still sense that the game hasn’t slowed down for him yet. I feel he’s a bit more comfortable BUT he needs more time to feel the game if that makes sense.
     
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    And the Jets aren’t trading their pass rushers. Especially coming from a team that lacked talent from there, why are people quick to try and take away from that spot? Saleh LOVES rotating them boys to keep ‘‘em fresh. Will, Huff, JJ and Lawson gonna be nightmares for opposing offenses on 3rd and long.
     
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    JD used a draft pick on him for a reason. He must feel the same way.
     
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