2020 Quarterback Roulette

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  1. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Getting closer to the reality that Brady might be a Charger.
     
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  3. Br4d

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    I'm suggesting that it is very hard to win a Super Bowl when your QB is getting 30M+ a year for the next 5 years. I think the Seahawks are going to find that out the hard way because I don't think they have any outs at this point.

    Joe Flacco's contract absolutely killed the Ravens however he was an average QB making superstar money. The question is whether a star QB making a 6th of the cap can still win in the NFL and I think that's an open question.

    The Saints went 7-9 4 times from 2012-2016 with Drew Brees at QB. He was making about 12% of their cap or roughly an 8th of it over that span. This is not to say Drew Brees was the problem over that span, but there weren't enough people contributing at a high level on those teams and Brees cap number certainly had something to do with that.

    Matt Ryan is another very good QB who has had trouble winning since he got paid. The motivational aspects of a huge contract on the rest of the team are unknown at this point however big contracts tend to go to players who will shortly be playing on teams with worse records than the ones that got the player the big contract in the first place.
     
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  4. Jonathan_Vilma

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    What a bunch of scumbags the Chargers are if they move on from Rivers for a year of Brady. They both struggled. And after Eli sucked the life out of the Giants for the last 3-4 years I can understand wanting to move on from an aging quarterback.

    But they're going to sell their souls for Brady because of the new stadium?

    Taysom Hill?!
     
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    It’s harder to find a championship caliber qb than it is to win while paying one. Don’t use Matt ryan as an example, he had one in the bag, his contract wasn’t what cost them. His coach did that. Seahawks haven’t stopped winning because they paid Wilson, saints haven’t stopped winning because they paid brees, they stopped winning because they made some bad draft picks, in the saints case the refs got them once too,. Seahawks don’t have any outs in Wilson because they don’t want one. It’s not money ball, it’s talent collecting .

    also, rumor in the Twitter-sphere is a separate cap or exemption for qb contracts could be in the next cba.
     
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    Early retirement home, that offensive line is trash. He'll regret leaving Dante Scarnecchia and Belichick.
     
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  7. GasedAndConfused

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    interesting. so do they take tua and try a 1 year stop gap while he heals or go for a "now QB" in the draft?
     
  8. FJF

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    They sign mariotta and draft tua.
     
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    Mariota would be a perfect fit for the Bears
     
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    If QB's become exempt from the cap, a small market team with a FQB would risk losing him to a big market team, no?
     
  11. Br4d

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    I would disagree on the harder to find than harder to win while paying one point. The championships that get won these days tend to be either with Tom Brady (cap exception due to financial shenanigans) or with a championship caliber QB *before* he has gotten paid. The number of championships won after the QB has gotten paid is very low (again excepting Brady and his cap-co deal).

    2018 - Brady (full cap on last year of expiring deal)
    2017 - Foles (Wentz on rookie deal)
    2016 - Brady ($13.7M on cap)
    2015 - PManning ($17.5M on cap)
    2014 - Brady ($14.8M on cap)
    2013 - Wilson (under $1M on rookie deal)
    2012 - Flacco ($8M on cap)
    2011 - EManning ($14.1M on cap)
    2010 - ARodgers ($6.5M on cap)
    2009 - Brees ($10.7M on cap)

    The point is that these guys all get paid after they win their ring and then their teams tend to drop back some after that. Their performance doesn't change there are just fewer other great performances around them and that is on their effect on the cap.

    This isn't really debatable. The only guy who has won a championship in close proximity to his first big deal is Eli Manning and he took an over-achieving 9-7 team to a ring because it had a great pass rush and put Brady under huge pressure all game.

    You can add Ben Roethlisberger to the list of guys who got paid and then saw their teams decline also. Great QB but as soon as he got paid the Steelers dropped from division winners every year to wild cards. Same thing happened on Russell Wilson's first big deal. Division winners every year to wildcards.

    It *is* hard to find a championship-caliber QB. It's harder to win when you are paying that QB top dollar.
     
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    The NFL doesn't have small markets at this point. They have a half dozen huge markets and then everybody else. This is because the revenue sharing is fairly strong in the NFL.

    Teams that figure out how to make a lot of extra money outside the revenue-sharing largely do so by exploiting the venues that they play in and tapping into income streams related to them.

    Dallas, New England, NY/NJ, Chi, Hou, Washington. That's the huge markets that will produce large revenue streams every season. LA may join them next year with Kroenke's new stadium coming on line with his serfs the Chargers paying him rent also. Las Vegas is an unknown. SF minus the Raiders is an unknown at this point.

    New England is huge largely because the Patriots are a dynasty, although there is real money in the area with the Route 128 tech corridor. The other areas listed just have enormous resources around them and mostly tap into them well.

    As to how to insulate average market teams from losing their QB's, the answer is to win with them. You're not going to keep a guy if he is playing well and the team sucks. Gotta build around him. The Jets will have no chance to keep Sam Darnold past his franchise years if they haven't solved the dysfunctionality that keeps them from winning now. It won't matter how much money they're willing to throw at him long-term if he perceives them as the barrier between him and winning Super Bowls. They'll just have to franchise him until he Cousins his way out of town.
     
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    Mariota would be awful on the bears. Henry won't be there to carry him.
     
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    He has 2 cheap years and a more expensive but bearable 5th year option left. That gives Douglas a 3 year window to build a decent supporting cast for Darnold. That involves at getting least 4 OL, 2 WR's, and 1 RB. If he's as good as everyone says he is, he should be able to get everything by the start of the 2022 season when Darnold's in his contract year. Of course the team still has holes at CB and Edge that need to be addressed too.
     
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    They would have to jump Miami and get to 3 with Detroit. There’s no way he gets past 5.
     
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    I'm talking about from a schematic standpoint. He's an excellent fit. Nagy wants a mobile QB that can make throws on the run.

    Also Mariota's best year was when Henry wasn't a factor. It was DeMarco Murray. Not saying he'll light it up, but hes a fit.
     
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    you never know. injuries like that have dropped players a ton. myles jack was supposed to go top 5, after the injury everyone said he'll still go top 15, he fell to the 2nd round
     
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    mariotta as a stop gap? i mean it's possible but that's not a good one
     
  19. J-Raw24

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    I agree he does fit what Nagy wants. But I'm not sure if he ever truly develops. But I see your point. I could see several team trying to get him though.
     
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    Those 10 Super Bowls you listed were represented by 13 qbs our of 20 possible, only one was played with average /below average qbs.(and the winner had an elite year. But yea, Seattle should definitely think about moving in from one of the 13 that can actually get them there. You need a qb, at any cost
     
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