This post should have one of those graphic image warnings and an “uncover photo” button. my god that is brutal
I'll do you one better since I'm beyond bored at work right now. Here's all the skill players the Jets have drafted in the top 3 rounds since 2001. 2002-2007: Nobody, but I'll throw an honorable mention out to theJets legend Jerricho Cotchery. I'm really glad they got rid of him for Derrick Mason. He was a 4th rounder in 2004. 2008: Dustin Keller, not really a skill player but I'll mention him - 1st rounder 2009: Shonn Greene - 3rd round 2012: Stephen Hill - 2nd round, took him over Alshon Jeffery, Mohammad Sanu, and T.Y. Hilton 2014: Because I mentioned Keller, I have to mention Jets legend Jace Amaro. 2nd round pick. 2017: Ardarius Stewart - 3rd round, took him over Chris Godwin and Kenny Galladay Honestly, a blackout drunk Jets fan could have thrown darts at a draft board and picked better than the Jets have in the last 12 years.
I can't disagree with many of the points you make because there's some truth in all of it. That said, why did Gase not see the problems with OL from the beginning/ He even neglected to play the starters together for a single snap in PS. Maybe if he had seen them playing together he might've been able to make some adjustments. Maybe they should've ditched the zone blocking scheme to open up more possibilities for replacement players? Maybe Gase should;ve radically altered his playbook to be a better fit for the guys he had instead of the guys he wished he had? I fully agree that much of this on Maccagnan, and you know that I was one of the earliest and loudest of his critics. And the problems go back much farther, to Idzik and Rex and Tanny. This should all be obvious and without need to restate every time, so that when I criticize Gase, I do so with the unstated acknowledgement that this isn't all of his making. That said, he does bear some responsibility, as I touched on above. I'm no expert, and probably know less than you about the finer details of football, but over 57 years of watching I have picked up some knowledge about what works and what doesn't. I firmly believe that if Gase could've figured out how to use Bell more effectively - and I believe that he could have - then that would've helped lessen the problems of the OL and helped Darnold immensely. I add to that, using Powell and Montgomery, along with Bell, should have been done more often. What I'm not going to do is give Gase a "free pass" for this shit season because the things he did in Miami, were some of the things he did here, and the results were the same - losing.
It’s possible but with this group of clowns it’s not very probable There wasn’t one o-lineman that played even above average last season...It’s very likely not a coaching thing
Yea. O.K. Right. As if opposing defensive coordinators were game planning all week along with stacking 8-9 men in the box to contain "Powell". You sound simple minded. No mention of Bell's 65+ receptions as an excellent security blanket for Darnold? Rigggghhhttt. lol. And before you judge Bell off of his "ypc average" how about you first take into consideration that A.) He was forced to line up behind two trash QB's in Siemian and Faulk during Darnold's absence. B.) Was forced to line up behind one of the worst offensive makeshift lines within NFL history and C.) After the injuries to Enunwa, Herndon, (Darnold) and others Bell himself was faced with 8-9 men boxes behind a shit fest O-Line. Cut Bell? You're clueless. How about build him an offensive line during the off-season and one that's not All-Time horrible and then judge his "ypc" average. Tools.
well it seemed like a war of attrition. Remember Kahil came in late so he had to get up to speed. I seem to remember Winters being hurt for most of preseason. Osemele had the shoulder likely dealing back to Oakland.
I will agree the line was bad. But the coaching was as well. Both can and hopefully will improve. But the adjustments were horrid and late. Bell started to run better at the end of the season but the line held him back. That said there are articles stating Gase plan to watch old Steelers footage of Bell to see if he can figure out how to use him better. Fact is he should have done some research on his player before. Both the line and coaching are responsible, also Bell being out so long doesn't help. Hopefully they right the ship, but all 3 factors have to be fixed, not just the line.
lol forreal, I honestly don’t see how much more Gase and Douglas could have done trying to clean up Mac’s MESS. We as fans felt the line was shaky before some of us tried to sell ourselves on Osemele, and then we felt Kalil was an upgrade over Harrison only because of having a vet presence. Still OL questions lingered either way. None of those small moves made a difference in most of our minds, it was the staff trying to make SOMETHING out of nothing.
I'm not buying that. thats a bogus argument These guys flat out suck. They were all practice squad bums or washed up. and even then, they were decimated with injuries. Look at the names and their snap counts, complete disarray. Tackles: Kelvin Beachum 79% of snaps Brent Qvale 7.5% of snaps Conor McDermott 14% of snaps Brandon Shell 79% of snaps Chuma Edoga 41% of snaps Guards: Tom Compton 36% Kelechi Osemele 18% Alex Lewis 75.00% Brian Winters 51.5% Centers: Ryan Kalil C 33 % Jonotthan Harrison C 67% Tom Compton was cut by 4 teams and yet started 5 games. Conor McDermott was a practice squad player cut by two teams, signed in freakin October, and started games down the stretch. Edoga was a tackle that everyone acknowledged was very raw coming in, he ends up starting multiple games at BOTH tackle positions. -- the question you need to ask yourself is would any of these guys have started on other teams? Beachum... maybe... and that team would still see left tackle as their weakness
My guess is that he did see many of the problems with the line. Macc signed Osmele 3 days before he signed Bell. It's not too hard to envision Gase becoming disenchanted with the Jets pursuit of Bell without any significant upgrade on a below average OL. It was a long process to sign Bell and the Jets could easily have backed out at any point but they continued to press Bell even as he had no other suitors on record. Gase must have been going nuts at the lack of progress on upgrading the OL while all of this was happening. Then Macc somehow managed to use the 3 pick and the 68 pick without getting any help for a woeful Jets offense. If Gase had decided by this point that Macc had to go, well that's not surprising at all. Being a first year head coach in NY/NJ really sucks if the powers that be are making decisions based on marketing instead of winning and particularly so if the neglect is on the side of the ball that you know something about. What happened this year in the off-season is all on Maccagnan and the guys he reported too. To their credit they realized the ongoing error in the process and fired Macc when it became clear that he was doing same old-same old and the most likely result was same old Jets. Idzik, Rex and Tanny were all part of the past problems of the team but realistically by the 2019 off-season they were 5 years+ removed from events and that is a lifetime in a league where 3-4 years is the shelf life of a roster before you have to do major renovations. I'm *not* a big Gase fan. I'm where most fans should be at this point: on the side watching what happens next season carefully before I make judgements about his competence as the Jets head coach. If you want to blame the 1-7 start on him then you have to give him some credit for the 6-2 finish. The Jets played 7 games against teams in the playoff hunt last year at the time they played them (NEx2, Philly, Dal, Oak, Bal and Pit) and went 3-4 in those games. I'm leaving the Bills off the list because game 1 they had no idea if they were going to be good or bad and without Darnold's illness and Mosley getting hurt the Jets win that game even with their kicking problems. The last game of the year the Bills were in no-injury mode and we have no idea how it would have gone if they showed up to win as opposed to just getting to the playoffs without any more injuries. I actually think Gase should get more credit for the 6-2 finish than most people seem willing to give him. I think he should get less blame for the 1-7 start that was largely beyond his (or anyone's) control given the factors involved. I still don't know if he is a good coach or a bad coach but he held the team together and kept them from quitting and that's an accomplishment in the NY media sewer. I believe the only way that the Jets offense gets better last year during the season is if Bell got hurt and Powell somehow managed to carry the load. Bell just takes too long to get to the line of scrimmage to do well with the kind of personnel the Jets had around. Powell is more of a classic quick hitter who tries to squeeze through an interior hole and blow by the linebackers and probably had a better chance to be a positive force in the Jets backfield last season than Bell. That said, Powell has gotten hurt in the past and probably would have gotten hurt with a full-time role this year. I look at Powell sometimes, given his obvious talent and heart, and wonder if he could do the John Henry Johnson thing and be a better back after 30 than before for a sustained period. JHJ was a big guy for his time though. Powell is an average sized back in a league that has gotten bigger and faster around him over the course of his career. Linebackers were the same size as Fullbacks in 1966 and Fullbacks and Halfbacks were used fairly interchangeably (Jim Brown and John Henry Johnson were both listed as FB's despite playing a role more like modern HB's.) Linebackers are 15-25% larger than HB's these days and putting your shoulder down and taking them on really isn't an option for more than a few guys around the league in 2019. A free pass is never called for. Holding your fire until a clear indication shows up is often the wiser approach though. Given the Jets injuries and talent issues last year I think that unloading on Gase, while possibly accurate, is also premature. I want to see him with a well-planned OL in front of the QB, the QB healthy from the beginning of the year and better skill players involved. That's the only way I am going to know if Gase has what it takes or not. We unload on the Jets for taking Peyton Manning's advice on the hire but I'm pretty sure Manning wouldn't have called the Jets if he didn't believe that Gase was a good hire for them. That's a very high profile position to take for a guy who coached you 3 years ago when you have no skin in the game. Just saying.
I'm "liking" your post,not because I agree, I don't, but because you took the time to give a thoughtful reply. Thanks. We'll just have to "agree to disagree". I actually hope you and Vilma, and the other pro-Gaser's are right, and will gladly admit it if I'm wrong, but I don't think how this is going to play out. And worse, if I am right, we'll have wasted another X years.
Not really a Jets twitter update but here is Manish getting body slammed from the top rope by some random on Twitter.
Mehta is the greatest heel in the nfl media. Every Jets fan should hate him. My problem is I have seen some of his work that actually has some truth but its outweighed by the amount of pure trash he reports.
I don't know about that first point. I was at that opening Buffalo game and he was turning absolutely nothing into 6 or 8 yards all game long. After that the oline went to shit and so did Bell's ypc, but that was more on the oline and the play calling than on Bell IMO. I think you put him behind a decent oline and he turns back into himself, ypc wise. Outside of that, the NYPost writer was right in saying that the coaching staff has to figure out the differences between how the Steelers were using him and how the Jets did, and what they need to do differently- oline notwithstanding.
He had a couple nice gains in the first half of the Buffalo game, but you're making it sound a bit more spectacular than it was. He had gains of 5, -2, 12, 4, -1, 8, 10, -1, 0, 4, 2. Inconsistently good I suppose. The Steelers used him differently because he wasn't the primary focus of the defense. It's a lot easier to disguise your play when you can split your runningback out and not have the corner jump out on him because there's no Antonio Brown in the slot. During the Ravens game they showed a good aerial shot of Bell leaking out of the backfield and drawing both a safety and a linebacker to him. With that being said I think we do need to split him out more. I think that'll come as he's not being needed to block in the backfield. He still got a ton of touches all year and didn't turn any great results. I think it was just a bad signing all around. There's a reason we were the only NFL team willing to pay him as a top 5 back after nearly two years away from the game. Honestly, the offensive line was fucking atrocious. But he also looked slow himself, and rarely broke a tackle if he had an opportunity in space.
I don't get it. Manish's tweet was in response to Rex putting Sanchez into the Snoopy Bowl. A lot of people were saying the same thing back then.
Manish (Wyatt) stated that he never called for anyone to be fired and this guy tweeted proof that he has.