2019 Twitter Updates on Jets

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by GasedAndConfused, Jan 7, 2020.

  1. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2015
    Messages:
    6,429
    Likes Received:
    3,509










    https://mobile.twitter.com/extremelysquid/status/1213680767869554688
     
  2. donkey

    donkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2009
    Messages:
    914
    Likes Received:
    1,137
    Interesting stuff, cheers.
     
    ColoradoContrails likes this.
  3. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2016
    Messages:
    7,026
    Likes Received:
    8,319
    Good stuff. Hopefully it will cause those claiming Bell is washed up to pump the brakes a bit. Also, underscores that the focus this off season needs to be offense since the defense is way more solidified - which it SHOULD be after 10 years of focus on that side of the ball.
     
  4. 94Abraham

    94Abraham Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2003
    Messages:
    5,240
    Likes Received:
    1,611
    The times Bell did have room, he still didn’t do much. The guy is just slow with no burst at all. We are paying him like a top back and I feel we all expect more from him.
     
    jets69 likes this.
  5. DefenseWinsChampionships

    DefenseWinsChampionships Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2016
    Messages:
    2,595
    Likes Received:
    2,515
    lol he was rushing behind one of the WORST offensive lines within NFL history lmao but yet people want to point to "burst" and "yards per carry" ala couldn't be more clueless.

    Funny how Bell critics refuse to admit how Bell just led ranked 7th amongst all NFL HB's in receptions ala giving Darnold a security blanket with 66 pass receptions.

    No mention of his 60+ receptions? Funny how that works.
     
    #5 DefenseWinsChampionships, Jan 8, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2020
  6. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2016
    Messages:
    7,026
    Likes Received:
    8,319
    His whole game is based upon waiting to see where the holes open. Too often there were none. When there were he showed he can still get yards where very few backs can. Were there times there were holes he mis-read, or didn't get the yards? Sure, even Jim Brown got tackled. Not saying Bell is as good as Brown was - NO ONE has ever been that good IMO - but the point is that the nature of being a RB means you get tackled - sometimes behind the LOS or after only a yard or two. Bell was badly misused under Gase. I don't know why, whether because Gase didn't want him to begin with, or Gase doesn't know how to use a stud RB, but he clearly didn't use him to his advantage.

    I sure hope that it wasn't a case of Gase trying to "prove" Bell isn't worth his big contract, and it's because he just didn't know how to use him. If it's the latter reason, Gase might be able to learn; if it's the former, then the problem won't go away until Gase does.
     
    egelband likes this.
  7. jets69

    jets69 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2013
    Messages:
    3,553
    Likes Received:
    1,877
    It was a awful signing, sad when Powell has better speed and a better burst, than the supposed great Bell, hopefully he gets cut
     
  8. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    14,099
    Likes Received:
    5,992
    Or maybe it's just that Bell wasn't worth the contract because after a 21 month hiatus he had an incredibly hard time adjusting back to the speed of the NFL?

    Don't forget that Bell also benefitted from playing with two Hall of Fame players and a top 5 offensive line. There's a reason that we were the only team in on Bell and WE gave him a deadline to accept or we're going to move on. And he accepted.

    It's also easy to be patient when you have stud offensive lineman blocking in front of you. You can wait for the pulling guard and tackle if you don't have any backside run through.

    Should we have split Bell out more? Yes. Did we do so and teams just blitzed right through anyway? Also yes. He's the only runningback or tightend that can pass protect.
     
    MoWilkBeast and HomeoftheJets like this.
  9. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2016
    Messages:
    7,026
    Likes Received:
    8,319
    All reasonable points. And it could well be that after that long vacation it did take him longer to re-adjust to things, especially with a swiss cheese OL for most of the year. And yes, Gase DID finally make some adjustments, but again why did it take him so long to do so? And even when he did, why not try more of it? At any rate, for whatever reason, while Bell didn't have his typical season, I don't believe he's washed up. Hopefully the OL can be significantly upgraded, and Gase figues out a way to use his talents.
     
    LAJet likes this.
  10. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2016
    Messages:
    7,026
    Likes Received:
    8,319
    To the point about Bell, there's this article from the NY Post:

    https://nypost.com/2020/01/08/how-the-jets-can-avoid-another-leveon-bell-disaster/

    A fair assessment about what needs to change to take advantage of Bell.

    And to my point that Gase bears some blame for Bell's below average season:

    "It was not a secret Gase was not in favor of signing Bell because of the high price tag. However, it is hard to say Gase did not use him because of that. Bell’s 311 touches were eighth most among running backs. The seven backs ahead of him averaged 75 yards rushing per game or more. Bell’s average was 52.6. So, the numbers indicate, if anything, Gase may have stuck with Bell too much.

    Where you can criticize Gase is regarding how he used Bell. Gase, running backs coach Jim Bob Cooter and offensive line coach Frank Pollack need to examine how Bell was used this year and figure out what can be improved. Did they rely too much on zone blocking? Would Bell be better off with a fullback in front of him more often?

    The answers are not obvious from the outside, but it is something the coaching staff must figure out. Gase said he and Bell spoke about taking a closer look at what he did with the Steelers and trying to incorporate that next year. That is a start."

    I don't understand why it would take an entire season of not getting the results you expect before you step back and ask yourself: "Should I be doing something different?" SMH. I truly hope Gase if finally looking in the mirror to see where the problem lies.
     
  11. King Koopa

    King Koopa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2003
    Messages:
    3,833
    Likes Received:
    1,857
    Why do you keep saying it’s Gase’s fault? Sure Gase didn’t use Bell perfectly, but the main issue is that we couldn’t run the damn ball because the offensive line was the worst in the league

    It wasn’t like we could pass block either so I’m not sure what you wanted Gase to do?

    I agree they should’ve used Bell more as a pass catcher in different capacities but the glaring issue still remains that our RB had zero blocking and that’s not a Gase thing, it’s a talent/ injury thing
     
    MoWilkBeast and Mogriffjr like this.
  12. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2016
    Messages:
    7,619
    Likes Received:
    10,822
    It's possible that coaching is part of the reason the OL was so bad. There's more to coaching than just calling plays.
     
    Ralebird and ColoradoContrails like this.
  13. MoWilkBeast

    MoWilkBeast Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2013
    Messages:
    874
    Likes Received:
    1,036
    Bell's biggest asset has always been his vision. I don't think he ever showed great burst or speed, but he has patience, determination and the ability to spot where the gap is going to be, even in the open field. He still does that, but the are precious few gaps to hit. Bear in mind that his season long run the last year in Pitt was under 30 yards and I think he only has one 50+ yard run in his career. He isn't, and never has been the sort of back that hits holes hard and breaks long runs regularly.

    I'm not sure there is any significant blame to be attached to Gase or that Bell has declined though rust and injuries may have been a factor at points. It's just another example of Jets mismanagement - making the splash statement signing but lacking the pieces on the roster to make it a success. Bell has delivered just about exactly the sort of reduced numbers I was anticipating this season.
     
  14. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    Messages:
    30,066
    Likes Received:
    6,346
    The questions asked above (in italics) are not questions you can pivot on for an answer in-season.

    The Jets had a zone-blocking scheme with personnel fitted into that scheme. Then people on the OL started to get hurt. A lot of people. Not surprisingly there are few if any real OL answers available to an NFL team after the waiver wire jumble at the end of training camp. There just aren't any people on the street after that who would help, scheme or no scheme. Trades are virtually out of the question in-season because everybody else is having injury problems as well and the few teams that aren't are thanking their lucky stars and hanging on to their backups just in case.

    A FB? What's a FB? The Jets had no FB's on the roster last year and the TE's were either pre-injured or fully accounted for elsewhere in the offense.

    The point of all of this is that criticizing Gase, Cooter and Pollack for Bell's performance, which was largely caused by the OL not being a fit for Bell's running style and then a wave of injuries that occurred during the season, is just not looking at the realities involved. Suggesting that they could have picked up a fullback in season and changed the offensive scheme to better suit Bell (by giving him an arrangement that he had never used in the NFL) is just a massive red herring. It looks like an attempt to throw the proverbial kitchen sink at Gase when the actual argument don't stack up well. Criticize everything you can and maybe something will stick.

    The reality of the Jets last season from the get-go was that the organization had put no priority on the OL for years and years. They signed a 34 year old retired C to a huge salary, a guy who would have stayed where he was if he could still play at a decent level, to cover up the fact that the organization had just gone through a clueless phase that lasted at least 4 seasons but probably much longer than that. They signed a 31 year old G who was in decline to play LG. They added them into a mix that included a home grown RG who cannot stay healthy over the course of a season.

    They signed a star RB who had played very well in Pittsburgh with a strong offensive line in front of him and expected him to make the Jets line better somehow. This despite the fact that he relied on his line more than most backs due to his running style which saw him spend 3 seconds a carry in the backfield looking for a hole.

    The OL they cobbled together got very few snaps together in the pre-season due to conditioning and injury issues and was seeing their first in-line experience together in the opener against Buffalo, who we now know had a very stout run defense and a good pass rush.

    This is on Mike Maccagnan, period. He's the guy who dissed the OL for 5 seasons then traded for Osmele, in belated recognition of how badly he had botched the OL over the years, when he was being pressured to sign Le'veon Bell and there was *no way* that was going to end well.

    The Ryan Kahlil signing was a clearly desperate attempt by Douglas and Gase to get out of the trap that Maccagnan had left for them. There was no reason to believe that Kahlil was going to be a good C last year. The best the Jets could hope for was that he would hold down the fort while the Jets tried to develop a young replacement, alongside the other assets they would need to develop on the OL.

    Le'veon Bell (and Adam Gase) were doomed to a down season from the start. There weren't any in-season adjustments that were going to overcome the failure of preparation over a half decade that preceded 2019. The NFL just doesn't work that way.

    If you make one stupid decision high in the draft or with a poorly thought out free agent signing that decision will come back to haunt you for seasons to come.

    If you routinely make stupid decisions high in the draft and in free agency, well that's what got the Jets where they are now.
     
    MoWilkBeast likes this.
  15. NYJFOREVER

    NYJFOREVER Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2011
    Messages:
    3,758
    Likes Received:
    2,880
    Bell doesn't have breakaway speed.

    He's the type of runner who waits patiently behind a blocker to throw him in front of a defender. He needs to get in space behind a lead blocker on screens or tosses, not pounded up the middle on A gap dives.

    All year the guy consistently fought off defenders in the backfield to gain whatever he could. Fix the OL and we'll see more of the LeVeon Bell we saw in Pittsburgh.
     
  16. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2008
    Messages:
    21,445
    Likes Received:
    21,449
    Be prepared to be accused of making excuses. Though no one has yet to make the delineation between excuse and cause.
     
    MoWilkBeast and Br4d like this.
  17. NYJFOREVER

    NYJFOREVER Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2011
    Messages:
    3,758
    Likes Received:
    2,880
    All you need to do is look at the last decade of drafting.

    The last skill player the Jets have drafted in the first round was Santana Moss in 2001. Yes, I know about Dustin Keller in 2008 but TE isn't a true skill position.

    The Jets haven't drafted an offensive linemen in the 2nd round or higher since 2010, Vlad Ducasse.

    The offensive linemen the Jets have drafted since Brick and Mangold are as follows:
    2007: Jacob Bender - 6th round
    2008: Nate Garner - 7th round
    2009: Matt Slausen - 6th round (Actually a solid pick here)
    2010: Vlad Ducasse - 2nd round
    2012: Robert Griffin - 6th round
    2013: Brian Winters - 3rd round, Oday Aboushi - 5th round (Boy this was a fun pick), and William Campbell - 6th round
    2014: Dakota Dozier - 4th round
    2015: Jarvis Harrison - 5th round
    2016: Brandon Shell - 5th round
    2019: Chuma Edoga - 3rd round

    Offensive line is one of the top 3 most impactful positions on the football field, and the Jets have put this on the bottom of their priority list for more than a decade. It's a cruel joke at this point, luckily the Jets seem to have a GM in Joe Douglas who prioritizes the trenches.
     
    PabloJa, Ptflea2, Mogriffjr and 4 others like this.
  18. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    14,099
    Likes Received:
    5,992
    I knew it was bad, but seeing it listed it out makes it that much worse. What the actual fuck were these three bozos thinking?
     
  19. NYJFOREVER

    NYJFOREVER Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2011
    Messages:
    3,758
    Likes Received:
    2,880
    That drafting IDL in the first round 5 out of 10 years for a 3-4 defense is BOUND to recreate the NY Sack Exchange.
     
    ColoradoContrails likes this.
  20. dawinner127

    dawinner127 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2009
    Messages:
    5,004
    Likes Received:
    2,695
    Thanks for making my eyes bleed. I'll send you the bill.
     

Share This Page