2016 is the Year of QBs

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  1. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    Right, if you were casting a football movie he'd be the Roy Hobbs character.

    If you were building the team, he's the last guy I'd want at QB.

    Looks like a dumber uncoordinated version of Kerry Collins.

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  2. Br4d

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    If Urban allows Cardale to play AND he has a great season he might go in the top ten. Daunte Culpepper went #11 after completing 73.6% of his passes for 9.2 YPA and a 28-7 TD/Int ratio in 1997 when the rules were a lot tougher on QB's and the passing game.

    Teams really want to see somebody who has had multiple great years in college before they'll spend a high 1st round pick. There are exceptions, like Michael Vick in 2000 and Mark Sanchez in 2009 and Cam Newton in 2011, but generally teams aren't going to spend a really high pick on a guy who has a potential fluke factor in the mix and anybody who is going on just one season of great production is in that category.
     
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    Mariota had 3 great years in college.

    And you still hated him.

    Try being consistent.

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  4. lockgang

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    Screw the 2016 class. Anyone see UCLA's Josh Rosen? Tank for 2018.
     
  5. Br4d

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    Give it a couple of seasons to see if he lives up to the hype, but yeah, this is the kind of prospect that might be a consensus #1 by 2018. It's about the right gap from Luck also.

    If there's a question where the guy will go leading into his senior season the odds are that he's not going to be a consensus #1.

    The only guys who have been consensus #1's in the post-modern era were Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning and Andrew Luck. Those were the guys everybody saw on the horizon a year out and said if that guy doesn't break his leg he's going #1 in the draft next year.

    Sam Bradford would have been there but he actually was so injury-prone in college that he scared about half the teams away.

    Peyton Manning was there 2 years in a row and decided to go back the first year because he didn't know who would hold the #1 pick after Bill Parcells started trading. Eli Manning came out and then forced a trade from the #1 pick team to where he wanted to be.
     
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    Hackenberg looked like a Hack..
     
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    He looked awesome. Just 1 game though. But yes, he looked awesome. So did Malik Zaire at ND
     
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    None of the following articles are the excellent one I read sometime in 2009, detailing how bad underclassmen QBs had been in the NFL historically, but following are some articles on the subject. I guess the article I read must have been taken down and isn't even archived.

    The first is by Adam Schefter (actually more of a table) showing that underclassmen QBs are a HUGE risk: http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/20/underclassmen-quarterbacks-are-a-risk/

    The second is by John Clayton.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/columns/story?id=3918866

    Here's another interesting one found on Walter Football. It's interesting because it discusses 3 reasons why a QB can bust, and then categorizes QB who have been busts.
    http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftquarterbackbusts.php

    This is a statistics-heavy article found on Football Outsiders that purports to be a round-by-round QB study.
    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/nfl-draft-round-round-quarterback-data
     
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    Hack has regressed under Franklin, I'm watching the game saying to myself how about some blocking, a blitz pickup or a WR getting open, they should be screaming In his ear if nobodies open get rid of the ball
     
  10. JStokes

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    Ok so who do we have today?

    I see its Cook at 8:00.

    Josh Rosen at 10:30.

    No Goff.

    Hack (ooof) at noon.

    The kid from ND at 3:30.

    Anyone else?

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  11. BigSnacks54

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    Goff's on at 5 P.M. EST on PAC 12 network .

    And Cardale's on at 3:30 on BTN.

    Hackenberg isn't worth watching at this point, to be honest. UDFA QB, that'll get over drafted.
     
  12. JStokes

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    Yeah didn't see Cal on the schedule.

    I'm watching Hack now. He is brutal.

    I don't understand what people see in this guy.

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    It's more about what they saw his freshman year. The year that saw him named a future number one pick. Then he became one of the most pressured QBs in the nation and regressed. Two years after that season he hasn't made the improvements people wanted him to make. He's legitimately worse than he was his freshman year. Some people still hold out hope that he'll get it together (like I was), but at this point I don't think it'll happen. This was his year to prove he was still the prospect we saw two years ago, and he just hasn't.
     
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    That's the thing. I saw him freshman year and I didn't think he was very good, didn't get the hype.

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    Cardale made some nice throws, but some inconsistency today. It' going to be hard to get a real look at him if Urban is going to continue to sit him after the O stalls. He still has a ton of work to do, but I'm still excited to see his development over the course of the season.
     
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    Interesting stat I saw on the scroll.

    ACC has the most QBs in the NFL-18- and the most starters with 6.

    I have not researched that.

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    Just a bad game overall from Cardale overall. Hope he bounces back next week, but Goff on the other hand is putting on a clinic with crisp footwork, patience, pocket presenece, and anticipatory throws.
     
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  18. JStokes

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    I can't get the Pac-12 network. Not available on my system and locked out on the Pac-12 app.

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  19. JStokes

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    Who the fuck designed Michigan States uniforms?

    Helen Keller?

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  20. JStokes

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    Ooof who was he throwing that to?

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