2015 Free Agents on the Jets

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  1. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    Yea but the 3-4 defense isnt the only thing we run,Rex didn't get the rep of always showing diffrent looks and confusing QBs by simply just running a 3-4 defense and nothing else
     
  2. abyzmul

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    They are talking about the base because it's the foundation of the maneuverability of the defensive sets. Harris is the QB of the defense and he is featured in almost all sets because of it.

    I like Davis a lot, but until the team tries to give him presnap playcalls, I would never expect him to get more snaps than Harris.
     
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  3. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    The different looks primarily refer to the different alignments, gap assignments, and pre-snap movements. Davis and Harris are both in on nearly every play. Most of Rex's substitutions are defensive line substitutions with Coples alternating between defensive linemen and linebacker. The two ILB's are pretty much always on the field, even when they play various roles.
     
  4. socaljetfan

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    Can't let Harrison or Kerley walk- no way. I want to keep Ellis but he will probably want to test the market. Powell needs to prove he can take CJ's spot if he wants to stick around. Otherwise Idzik will be looking to draft a back.

    Douzable is a solid backup and should be inexpensive to retain.

    Our offensive line and receiver drafting and development hasn't been adequate under Rex whether its his fault or not. Unless there is a true stud receiver pick I would rather fill holes here through free agency.
     
  5. socaljetfan

    socaljetfan Active Member

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    The 3-4 is the base defense and the majority of our defensive snaps are in a 3-4 alignment. Sure we mix it up but our personnel is and will continue to be tailored for a 3-4 alignment. in fact its because Rex likes to mix it up that he runs a 3-4 because he can blitz one or both OLBs.
     
  6. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Pay attention to the games and you'd notice Davis appears on the field just as much perhaps a few less snaps than Harris regardless of the alignment.

    We don't just run one set of defensive plays obviously but these two along with Mo and Richardson are almost always 3 down players.
     
  7. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    I feel like I never see him
     
  8. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    Look closer. Makes you wonder what other obvious things you miss
     
  9. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    At any rate the guy is progressing but I still would keep David Harris and keep them together.Atleast for one more year
     
  10. TonyMaC

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    ILB's do tend to be lost in the crowd, or at least they are to me.

    You focus on the ball, the state of the O-line and the backfield, those guys waiting in the second level may as well be indiscriminate masses of uniforms that don't matter a lick till a RB or pass come their way.
     
  11. DoubleDecker87

    DoubleDecker87 Well-Known Member

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    I would say Damon Harrison and Jeremy Kerley are the only absolute must bring back guys. I would gladly take all them back but those two are the two guys who cannot hit the market. The other guys who could come back.. David Harris would need to take a significant pay cut, Kyle Wilson has been an overall disappointment but has been okay as a nickel, Powell will most likely try and find a bigger role, Vick would be welcomed back as a 2, Nelson has been solid but an upgrade will be due, Douzable is a great backup and should be brought back, Landry should be an emergency plan, I hope we add a FA stud to team up with CP, Kendrick Ellis is a great backup as well and should be brought back, lastly Barnes and Colon will need to prove they deserve another year being old guys.
     
  12. Br4d

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    A lot of those guys will figure in the comp picks equation. The Jets could have as many a 6 guys signed to multi-year deals by other teams. That would leave us the ability to sign 3 quality free agent replacements and still have some chips in the comp pick pool.

    Several of the free agents are older guys but might draw some interest on a 2 year deal from somebody. The core guys that you really don't want to lose are Snacks and Harris although their situations are very different. Snacks is going to get at least a 4 year deal from somebody. He's going to be an RFA so the Jets have some leverage but they can't tender him for more than a 1st round pick under the 2011 CBA so a team drafting like 29-32 in the 1st round could easily decide to give him a heavy offer that the Jets didn't want to match and effectively "draft" him with their 1st round pick. Harris will likely get a 2 year deal from the Jets.
     
  13. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    I totally forgot Snacks was an RFA. I have a pretty hard time believing any team would give up a first rounder for him, even a late first rounder. I suppose it's possible but the leverage you have over a 1st round draft pick is very advantageous, what with the very low contract and 5th year option. I do expect the Jets to use the first round tender on him though, now that you reminded me about his RFA status.
     
  14. TonyMaC

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    I could easily see the jets skipping the idea of giving Snacks any kind of tenure and just locking him up now.

    this is the best time to do it, why wait till the point where he's got free agency in his pocket? and aren't 3-4 NT's hard to come by? of course they aren't so hard to come by that some team would give up a first for 'em so I see no point in trying to get value for him there.

    I think he'll get re-signed ASAP.
     
  15. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    Anybody catch that Salas is going to be taking Decker's role outside should Decker be unavailable? Do you think that maybe this has something to do with the fact that Kerley is not particularly well suited to an outside role, and is ideally used in the slot?
     
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    Not sure if the bold is true or not but we do have 2 of them. I would personally trade or let Harrison walk for picks, regular or compensatory respectively, and resign Ellis. The gap between Harrison and Ellis is not as wide as their contract demands would likely suggest. Save some dollars there and use it else where.
     
  17. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I tend to agree. Harrison is very good at what he does but he's only a 2 down player. That's not to say Ellis is completely the answer because we don't know if he can do it for a full 16 without injury but there's no drop off when he's in. He was drafted high for a reason and it's time to save cash and make the draft pick count.

    We haven't had trouble finding a 2 down nose tackle to stuff the run since Mangini employed the 3-4 in 2006. That's 8 years of good solid nose tackle play regardless of coach mind you. Between Ellis & Barnes I'll gladly sign up for the first round pick for Harrison. Let him go to the 9ers.
     
  18. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    Sure we've had a relatively easy time finding a run stuffing nose tackle, but do you remember how beastly our pass rush was when Kris Jenkins was anchoring our line? Harrison is much better at knifing into the backfield, and has slowly been improving as a pass-rusher. I'm not saying he's good yet, but I think he's a lot closer to developing those skills than Kenrick Ellis is.
     
  19. Poeman

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    Snacks better stay
     
  20. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I think that's more attributed to the fact that Kris Jenkins was a good pass rusher because he was a mountain of a man whereas Harrison is very compact and short with shorter arms. Jenkins was also much more of a factor to bat balls down at his height which is why he was such a problem to block. Up until this point Harrison has struggled getting a push on passing plays.
     

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