People love extremes. It's like either our O-Line is absolutely dominant, or it's complete shit. I never said they were great, but I don't think they are as bad as people think. You say they cant run block consistently, yet we have the 2nd best running game in the league this season. Mangold is rated by everyone as the best center this season, sites like PFF, so no, he s not a JAG. And when Winters was playing, every time Geno dropped back to pass, someone was in his face. That's not the case anymore. He usually has enough time to pass. If anything, it was our TEs blocking (or lack thereof) and Geno's inability to dump the ball off quickly against a blitz that's usually the culprit, not the O-Line. Most penalties by far have been on Colon, which is why I said he looks done. But instead of spending big money on a guy like Iupati, I'd try to see if Dozier can take over that spot. People really liked him coming out of college, and since we aren't likely to compete for the Superbowl next year, it's a good time to develop young guys. Just bring in a veteran guard on a budget deal as a potential backup if Dozier struggles.
Vick was already pretty similar to Geno in his last year and a half with Philly. Shit loads of turnovers...and they havent changed. Sanchez is still turning the ball over too. On top of that we don't have the offensive minded coaching staff that could even put together good plays to call. I'm not cutting any of the 3 QB's we had any slack. They just aren't that good. Point blank. We need somebody better. If a QB can't utilize Harvin, Deck, Kerley, & Amaro they shouldn't be playing because that's a pretty good core as is. (Vick and Geno shouldn't be playing)
Trade wilk to draft his replacement then draft an oline with the pick we get? What?? Why not just draft oline with our pick?
Trade? The Bears just benched a $120M QB which is essentially giving up any bargaining leverage they had. Do you think they will have that cap hit on their roster come NFL calendar day #1? Also, you need to curtail your expectations. The Jets will not go from Geno Smith to Aaron Rogers overnight. What member of the coaching staff or front office is going to develop a young QB? Even if they revamp all facets of the staff and management, I have zero confidence the team can develop a QB right now. This team needs a capable throwing QB who has NFL experience. I don't expect Cutler to take the Jets to the SB or even the playoffs in the immediate future, I just want a decent pocket passing QB for a change.
We are gonna have a really high pick his year, top 10 for sure, maybe top 5. Based on what I've read on the draft so far, there aren't any left tackles available this year worthy of such a high pick. You don't want to reach that early in the draft for a need position, picks that high don't come very often, might as well try and grab a really special player. If we traded Wilkerson for say a mid round pick in the first round (and some others later on), then we could use that on an O-Lineman without reaching. Of course it depends on where the pick is and all that.
seems like a simplistic view that in no way acknowledges the poor play of the OL or the late arrival of Harvin. It's an OK core. Amaro doesn't seem like anything special and I know that Kerley isn't and Decker has been average with drops and a lack of deep speed. This isn't a core of receivers that has reached its potential, but unless the OL is straightened out, the QB would still be the lesser issue, IMO.
I beg to differ. Despite his concussion and a few poor drops, Amaro has been the brightest rookie on this team so far. He is by far our best tight end, both in blocking and passing, and he leads all rookie tight ends in every category this year (catches, yards, yards per catch, etc.) Plus, he just looks like he can play. I am very, very excited about Amaro's future with this team (so long as we find someone to throw him the ball).
I'd like to see that rating for Mangold, cause i'm just not buying that he's been a dominant player at his position. But you're right, Aboushi is not nearly as terrible as Winters. which is hardly saying much, is it? And Winters being replaced took, what, 5-6 games and another couple of games for Aboushi to start playing well. That's over half a season of crap just from the LG position. The RG position you have to admit has sucked all year. And the RT and LT positions have hardly been dominant. I think being the 2nd best running game in the league is ambiguous. The Jets may have the 2nd most yardage, but, really, what does that mean? Most offenses don't use the running game as their main weapon--it's a passing league now, Grandpa--so, really, who cares? The Jets are the 29th ranked scoring offense (or some such) so having a 'great' running game between the 20s kinda doesn't mean shit. The Jets, when people decide to put 8 men in the box don't run all that effectively and I believe the numbers are seriously boosted by the Miami game. And, really, if you had to honestly respond to the question "is the Jets running game anywhere NEAR what it was several years ago?" you'd have to answer, "hell no, it isn't!" It isn't as consistent or as potent as it was in Ryan's first two years. And, again, who gives a fuck about a running game, really? It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Yes Iupati is on my list. It'll be hard to get players like him and fill other needs like our secondary if were trying to splurge on WR's. Kerley isn't any good? are u kidding? Decker is only average because our QB is below average... everybody and they mom knows he don't have deep speed before he even got here.. that's not what he is... so? Amaro has shown flashes he can be a very good TE with time... AND A BETTER QB. I know our o-line isn't stout but there has been times when we have lost games strictly off our poor QB play.
Well, any rookie that is actually playing would have to considered the brightest rookie on the team. It's not saying a helluva lot. I'm not down on Amaro; I think he has potential. But I don't think Gronkowski or even Antonio Gates is likely to be overtaken by him. Update: I have to give props to Amaro: 1 Jace Amaro NYJ TE 35 311 8.9 25.9 43 2 4 1 17 48.6 I don't know where you got the blocking info from, but he HAS done well. And I would also say that someone already HAS thrown him the ball enough that he's the leading rookie TE. I know it's easy to not recognize anything done by our QBs, but they have managed to find Amaro often enough.
Decker is average because he has average speed. Kerley is a smaller Decker. These guys are "OK" in the Cotchery vein, but they are not elite WRs. I think you could say that we've lost games as much for the OL as for the QB and for the ridiculous defenses called by the HC/DC. When you lose as many games as the Jets have, there are many culprits. But the OL is the foundation for any offense. And our foundation has been week for at least the last two years. And it's probably its weakest this year.
I never said we need Iupati. But we definitely need several upgrades on the OL. In the recent game against the Titans, among the worst defenses in the league, the Jets amassed all of 114 yards rushing. Virtually the entire 1st half was 3rd and 7 after two runs. The Jets line is neither powerful or particularly athletic. And they have a penchant for penalties in the Red Zone. Seriously, "they aren't that bad..." You've got to be kidding...
what about the miami game? U do know the jets are 2nd in rushing right? I think we need to add Iupati. The way things are set up.. Brick and Mangold are here, Gio is under a new contract, Aboushi has exceeded his expectations and the whole offense kicked up the second he stepped on the field... only real upgrade that makes alot of sense would be Iupati replacing Colon. That would make a HUGE difference as we draft and develop guys to step in for Mangold and Brick
"what about the miami game? U do know the jets are 2nd in rushing right?" Did you watch the second half of the Miami game? The running game you hold in such high esteem gained all of 67 yards. And, again, people will let you run between the 20s because, really, who cares? Once in the red zone, the running game has been only marginally effective. I've never valued the running game as much as this head coach does. And I can't say that it's been of great value this year. It's unclear how much having a great running games leads to scoring actual points. To me, the running game is most valuable after you have a lead. And this OL doesn't pass protect well enough to get a lead.
I agree with the pass protection because if you add geno's sacks to vicks they equal to the 3rd most sacked QB in the league. I think we run block better than last year though. Last year Ivory was breaking backfield tackles damn near every other play. They've improved a little bit but i thnk Iupati would make a HUGE difference for that whole weak right side we got.
Give me Iupati and Carpenter and sprinkle in some CJ spilled or Ryan Matthews. We are going to need a running game with the lack of QB thing we have. Sure up the defensive backfield but don't go all in in a guy like JPP, Thomas or Thomas, Maclin etc. sign Harvin back for 8-9 MAX for 3 years. Draft Cooper or trade down and draft best CB, LB, OT I haven't a clue of what to do with the QB...maybe put great talent around a guy like Matt Moore..
You can see Mangold's rating on Pro Football Focus. It's true that our running yardage is increased by running the football more than most other teams, but there is a flip side to that as well. Because we run so much and because our passing offense is pathetic, most teams load up the box against us, making it harder to run. As far as who gives a fuck about a running game, the current Superbowl champions might want to have a word with you.
How about letting the guy who's suffered behind the crap line his first two years A SHOT at win cute...They have a passing game as well, which helps. You pass to score, run to win.
The only one going to be challenging Geno next year will be online play in Madden 2015 or the State and Federal Penal System.
