If Idzik would had taken a different approach we may not be talking about this. I'm sorry if anybody don't think Idzik isn't the reason for all this then they don't know football. You're suppose too make your take better the next year not worse and that what Idzik done.
Cant see how you can argue with this. This team is worse...but its only 3 positions and they...in REXs scheme of thing's, are huge. QB, DB, WR position. The rest of the team you can live with. Arguments could be made that they are a lot better in certain positions...mostly front 7 D. Bottom line is while I want Idzik out...BADLY...the guy that left over 20 million on the table and has drafted key players who were often injured in college along with guys that are not even fit to back up and guys not on the roster, so many arguments could be made that Rex has been oblivious to the offense since he got here. He has had no desire to have a command of what the game plan is. We have gone through offensive Cords that are either not qualified or show nothing of what they have done with other teams. We have had the same screaming sessions over the nonsense of ground and pound (has anyone bitched about with the Denver game? There was no way this team was running the ball no matter what) not throwing downfield and zero identity. There is so much blame to go around...it makes your head spin and guess what...everyones right. You want to blame Woody? Bingo....Rex...nice job...Idzik? this roster is a disgrace. The only thing that could turn this around is a HC and GM that has a huge name. Parcells is the only guy I can remember in recent years that was able to go beyond the horrible reputation that this team has had for total incompetence. GMS should be the highest paid guys in the game...right behind HC's and Woody should treat it that way in the offseason....but he will not. One day he will get that this franchise needs to be huge in the office and leading on the field..and the only great guys that would ever think of coming here would only do so if you break the bank..and that's what this franchise needs...a guy as big as the game.
Look Rex in six years had had a lot more to do with player development than Idzik has. He was directly involved in every draft and had tremendous influence over both GMs who tried to get the players that he wanted. That also includes free agents. Wasn't Rex the one who camped out in front of Bart Scott's house so that after midnight on free agency day he could go in and sign him. He's gotten most of what he's wanted including drafting mostly D players in the top rounds.
Unless it's an obvious upgrade I don't know if we should fire Rex. It's such a complicated situation we are in. Is Dan Quinn, or Darren Bevell upgrades? They've never coached before. Would Harbaugh come here? David Shaw? Those two guys I'd want over Rex. Rex has built up more capital than Idzik at this point. He's been to the playoffs, Idzik has not. For all his faults, if I had to choose who to fire Rex or Idzik it would be Idzik. Not saying Rex doesn't deserve to get canned but if one goes both should go. Thanks John for clearing up cap space that anyone could have done, but fresh page and all. Re: Rex storming into offices and camping out, I could really do without all of that BS media crap that he falls into. This is football and let's not air everything out to the media like it's high school.
Every coach is directly involved in team decisions, but that doesnt mean that they get the final say. I dont think youll ever truly know who made the call on some of the picks that were made. But you do always hear that Rex got 1 selection during the Tanny years.
Rex was the one who told Tanny that "This is our guy" during a Mark Sanchez combine. He had much more input then what is being led on by his supporters here. His team lacks discipline and he hasn't grown at all as a head coach. Its time to move on.
Not trying to play both sides of the fence but Im not going to disagree with this at all. I will not agree that he has had much input since Idzik got here. No way. Idzik..while not having the power to get rid of Rex because of Woody....has had all the say on players picked from free agents to draft picks. NO GM would take a job if told he had to leave the current coach alone for a year or so..and not only that...have that coach involed with final say with picks. No way. So if that's the case...Idzik is responsible for our current qb...our lack of receivers...our total lack of DB's..and over 22 million sitting in the bank that was to be used for the HOARDS of young talent we need to resign. If anyone says its only his second year..I would buy that...but I still cant get pass his drafts..Richardson and all. Not you...but I do not want posters telling me about his picks in the first 2 rounds. Any moron could do ok there (still took Smith) but the guy had 12 picks this past year...and that was just not a bad or unlucky draft...that was horrendous. EDIT: Sorry...I cant stop there...the guy took 2 receivers...both have yet to have the ball thrown to them because 1 is cut..and the other is...sucks? I mean, how do you draft 2 receivers in ANY round and not have them have the ability to be on the field and forcing yourself to get other players practice squad guys. That just blows me away...away.
He didn't kill Eagles fans for booing Victah Cruz and stealing the vet's prosthetic leg. Just handwaved the caller and said he didn't want to get into killing fans. If that was about Da Jets or Lions he would have killed them.
I can't fault Idzik for selecting Geno in round 2. The kid had a pretty good college career and imo , still too early to label him a failure. That being said I'd draft a top QB coming out this season if we have one of the top picks. There's not a lot invested in Geno $ wise so if he fails miserably in year 3 with more offensive weapons at his disposal then at worst you've got an experienced backup and a top pick to build around for years to come.
No one is saying Idzik has given Rex a great roster and he is blowing it with them. That would be insane. The roster is crap for the most part and that is on Idzik. However, Rex does not know how to adjust. He is stuck in his ways. That can be pinned on Idzik because obviously you should give your coach what he needs to succeed, but obviously Idzik has never cared about what helps Rex. He has his own plan and it has sucked so far. Still, Rex makes too many coaching errors for my liking. And if Rex in his press conferences is just lying or giving fluff to the reporters, it is a mistake, because he sounds like a complete moron.
I didn't say Rex has more power than Idzik but you can't exonerate him from some of the decisions that have been made in the past esp when Idzik wasn't on board. The guy's been here not even two years and some of you guys want to blame him for everything. btw a lot of the press has said over the years esp with Tannenbaum that Rex had the majority of influence when drafting and making personnel decisions. As for quarterback if Rex doesn't want Geno then bench him permanently!
Exactly right. Does anyone think it is a coincidence that the last 5 years the jets have drafted #1 of defense (inckuding 2 in 2013)? The jets stink now BECAUSE Rex has focused so much on defense that their offense couldn't score on many college teams. After this last draft, Rex was crowing about what a steal McDougle was in the 3rd round. Most teams didn't even have McDougle on their draft board--he barely played his senior year because of injury--Tell me Rex had nothing to do with picking 2 DBs with our first three picks in 2014.
You can rag about Geno if you want. To me the guy is unproven. But if you want to talk about mistakes at quarterback then who made the choice of Mark Sanchez. Wasn't it the triumverate of Tanny, Rex and Woody. Who even went to visit him in Cali before the draft so they could get to know him. And then prolonged the mistake by starting the guy unchallenged for four straight seasons. And never benching him until the bitter end. So if we want to discuss quarterback disasters let's start with that one. At least under Idzik they have benched this guy a couple of times.
You know, it doesn't have to be one or the other. we COULD ( we do) have a bad roster and we COULD ( we do) have a horrible head coach
I really don't see us firing Rex.... ..or moving on from Geno. I say give them both one more year (Geno for money reasons/still young/potential, Rex for the fact he has a good D). I'm more on the fence about Marty staying or not....I think it would be good to give Geno another year under a stable system...but Marty just outsmarts himself when he does well. As far as Idzik is concerned, I agree he left too much money on the table this year. There have been some articles about him rolling over money, I get it, and agree to a large extent, however there were many 1 year contract moves he could've done to provide some assurance at positions. Isn't Champ Bailey still out there? Why not?
Ok..will buy that. I totally agree with you about the Tanny/Rex dynamics. Rex will not bench Geno because it was Idziks qb..his guy..and if you listened to Rex kissing Idziks ass yesterday about last years incredible draft....Idzik has him on the hook. Rex has much less power under Idzik. Listen...Im not disagreeing with you up until last year...this is Idziks ship right now. Amazingly, both guys jobs rely on not whos better...or whos right. Both of their futures with this team rely on who Woody believes has failed. Has Rex failed because of Idziks horrible drafts and leaving positions with no talent (wr,qb,db) or has Idzik failed because of Rex horrible coaching. Woody loves to sell tickets...and he truly believes Rex sells tickets. I see no way Rex is fired and Idzik stays..they probably both go but I could see where Rex stays and Idzik goes. I know...nuts...but I think that is a strong possibility. Woody would see no benefit to this team and its fanbase and selling tickets by firing Rex and leaving Idzik in charge of getting the next great coach after what he has done with this roster. In 2 years, Idzik has done nothing at all to show he knows talent and is able to patch up weaknesses through free agency with over 22 million to spend. NOT saying leaving Rex in place is right, just that we know Woody....and he will not let Rex go without getting rid of both. I really believe he gives Rex another year....and wouldn't be surprised if Idzik is gone.
Well it's the classic story of the tortoise and the hare. Idzik isn't fast enough to please these guys but they weren't asking for his head last year after a good draft and a .500 record that Rex gets all of the credit for. I can't see firing Idzik after only 2 years but I could see firing Rex after 6. Since its a Woody decision it'll make him look bad for hiring Idzik in the first place. My guess is they let Idzik revamp the entire front office esp the scouting dept. With the number of injuries league wide it's hard for any GM to sign players and then see their entire plan go out the door when they they get season ending injuries.
