I'm glad Idzik did not greatly overpay for Rogers-Cro. I'd rather underpay our own Cro or sign someone with a cheaper price tag. If we draft a CB there could be problems. Two starting CBs who are very young players. The new guy a rookie and we saw how Milliner struggled most of the year. I do think with some improvements Walls could do a decent job. We all know Kyle Wilson can't cover. PS even though NEP is active in free agency they have not grossly overpaid for anyone incl. Revis. In the past when BB feels the player is elite he ponies up the bread only to (like Seymour) eventually get rid of them.
So please show us the fans who said "just spend and we don't care who you sign". Or maybe you are one of the stupid people out there who thinks there wasn't single player of need out there worth signing, is that it?
Wow, does this mean that the board is attracting more rational Jet fans? I love it. Idzik was brought in to build a long term winner not a one year contender. Some teams like the Pats. and Broncos are all in with old QB's. The Jets hope to take a big step this year and maybe get a few breaks and arrive a year ahead of schedule. Some fans and the media can bitch all they want but that's the way it is going to be.
I don't see Dimitroff going anywhere, but Smith has come up very small in the playoffs and has made alot of headscratching coaching decisions in big games. I think Smith is out if they don't bounce way back...
Exactly, 2013 was the beginning of the rebuild. Now a year later they want us to splurge. I don't think they understand what rebuilding means. The Broncos are in win now mode so it makes sense for them to spend money. We're building a team for the long term, which means our focus is building through the draft, signing cheap vets (Giacomini) taking a flyer on a top free agent (Decker) and signing low risk high reward young guys (Cumberland).
First off, Terrell Ray "TJ" Ward is a strong safety that isn't a liability in pass coverage. In fact he's above average against the pass in addition to being great against the run, totally unlike Landry. Rex famously doesn't believe in differentiating between FS and SS on his defenses, but if Ward were on the team and you wanted to make that distinction you could play Allen as a less than ideal but workable FS. In obvious running situations you could field Landry and Ward, and even if those two get stuck on the field for passing downs that would be a better situation than anything the team will have even after the draft. More importantly, any transitional awkwardness from fielding Landry this year would have been far outweighed by Ward's workability in the defense moving forward as Allen develops or a natural FS is added after this year. TJ Ward would've fit just fine. Of course you don't mention what Asamoah's potential value, contribution, or fit would've been on the team. Better to just default back to spending money in FA is an awful idea, right? Secondly, you see nothing wrong with harshly criticizing anybody on here that suggests making a dent in the cap space would be a good idea during this free agency. Yet if DRC is added, which looks entirely possible at this moment that would be an even bigger financial commitment than I would've wanted overall. But if it happens, no big deal, just move on despite the GM invalidating your nonstop outspoken opposition to such a philosophy. Can't speak for others but I never said anything close to 'spend spend spend no matter who it's on' though you seem to lump me in with whoever is saying that. Must be nice.
What's happening right now is that fans who were raised on Madden Football and watched the Jets splurge on multiple occasions over the last decade are looking for their jolt and not finding it. That's causing them to react predictably and unfortunately in criticizing the team. You can't become an elite organization over night. You have to have a cultural change along the way and that cultural change is what we are going through now. No more leaks. Emphasis on the draft. Putting veteran free agency in it's rightful place. Treating contract negotiations as serious business with long-term ramifications. Not bending if the choice is between a bad deal and no deal. These are all hallmarks of an elite organization. They're changes that the Jets as an organization are making to become an elite organization. For the media there are other issues at hand. The Jets used to be very sell-able from a media standpoint. You could always make your deadline by finding some piece of loose information about the Jets and turning it into a story. Now the Jets are quiet and nothing is floating loose. That makes the Jets less sell-able to the media and they're predictably in backlash mode, making stuff up when nothing floats loose for them and generally trouble-making to meet their needs. If Idzik and Woody manage to pull off the transformation of the Jets it will be very bad news for the tabloids, although the PSL sales will be through the roof.
If the Jets have a losing season with what will end up being close to 50M in cap space and after going 8-8 with the crap team they had last year, Idzik will probably be unemployed and the media will be having a field day.
I think the "old" definition of rebuilding is in Fact that, an old definition. Today with the emphasis on early draft choices coming in from day one and producing, incremental production improvements in young players already on the roster, and coaching/scheme continuity can and has reduced the "rebuild". Now how does this thought coincide with what the 2014 jets may be? Personally, I am ok with the approach this offseason and Johhny I has taken. We do without a doubt need to sure up the CB and RG issues that have been created BEFORE the draft. Doing this will allow the Jets to draft BPA and continue to hoard young developing talent! We were an 8-8 team last year with a turnover machine at QB, a stagnant run game early on in the year, and a defensive backfield that was below average. We are not in a full rebuild here guys, we can win more games than last year IMO. What we should be striving for with this offseason is organizational consistency (a long run of being a contender to the AFC). I'm excited to see who we are targeting at RG and CB. I personally hope it's DRC on a cap friendy deal and Davin Joseph to really have a mauling right side of the line to anchor the run game!
I'm one of these crazy people that thinks money talks and the rest is bullshit. He signed @4.5M which is next to nothing and I wouldn't have been upset to have signed him @ even 5.5M especially given the pathetic guard situation. Even with a 5M offer which wouldn't have been a stretch at all there's no way he would've signed for 4.5 with Atlanta imo so yes, I would've wanted to have at least upped the price it took Atlanta to get him. Obviously that didn't happen whether he would've signed with the Jets or not for 5-5.5M. At least it would be some solace to see him signed for a fair market price. Not doing at least that much was, I believe, a sizable mistake.
I agree that rebuild cycles tend to be much shorter, especially with consistency on coaching/scheme. looking at 2013, we really overachieved. The QB play was bad for the most part, the secondary was terrible, and the Oline had its ups and downs. with all the holes we have, BPA is the best draft approach (almost always is anyway). The secondary, Oline, and offensive playmakers need an injection of options prior to the draft to make us as flexible as possible. With the money we have, i would've liked to have seen us just a little more aggressive. FA is not over yet. I'm still hoping we can land DRC, Clemons, James Jones, maybe Joseph and a TE. Also can potentially plug some depth with our older vets like Pace, Colon and Cribbs, while resigning Wilk and Kerley. That would wrap up the FA very nicely with value guys who can contribute. Options are starting to run thin, so hopefully we can start plugging some of these holes soon.
Why wouldn't they bounce back? They have the 6th pick in the draft and can add a monster in this strong class and a solid day 1 starter with their 2nd pick. Plus they just added about 5 veteran FA starters and they get a clean slate on injuries. The regime had 5 straight winning seasons since being brought in, with one big surprise losing season this year. There's no reason to think they go worse than 9-7 even in their tough division, and there's no way the HC or GM gets fired with 6-7 winning seasons.
Gholston was a bust on three fronts, we drafted him very high, AND he cost us a small fortune AND we had to sign/draft (I don't recall which we did do) someone to replace him. That's a multiple of bad, more than just missing on the pick itself. Wilson (although serviceable in his current roll) was suppose to play opposite of Revis as a shut down tandem. That didn't work out, FA Cro filled the need. Even today a Wilson, Milliner tandem (on paper, two first round picks) should be very good. Instead our search for a CB continues and it will cost us a pick or a FA to fill the hole. Sanchez was a good pick for us at the time, we had a stacked team for a rookie to play on and no other QB prospects. It didn't work out, but that was more a product of stacking the team early and then talent falling off after 3 years. It's the which came first, the chicken or the egg argument. Did bad drafts lead us to FA signing, did FA trades lead us to bad drafts? That's all done and over, what we do now is what's important. We have picks and we have money.
We were 8-8 last year because a good LB on the Bucs hit our QB out of bounds on the next to last play of the game and our FG kicker didn't miss a FG for half the season and kicked 3 game-winning FG's with 2 seconds or less on the clock in the process. And of course the Pats got called for a penalty never called before in order to set up another of those FG's. The Jets actual record last year, by the pythagorean method, was 5-11. And we got lucky even then.
The Jets are trying to build team for long haul?so your saying in 5 years we might go 9-7 and be a wild card team?this is a win now buisness it doesn't work that way anymore ,so many of you older guys live in the past when it comes to this stuff.Last year was the rebuilding year this year we are suppose to be legit but if your theroy is right then in 2019 the jets should be legit
