2014-15 NCAA Basketball Thread

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  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    you would think, you'd also think adults would actually read up on issues rather than just falling for the catchy headlines so they wouldn't be so misguided.
     
  2. Yisman

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    Pretty much. There are not many MSU players in the NBA.

    Eight total, and only two are impact players. One (Zach Randolph) left after his freshman year, so he didn't exactly do much for the program. The other is Draymond Green, who is an interesting case. He stayed in college but he was better as a supporting player. When the team was centered around him, they underachieved.

    Compare and contrast that with the plethora of stars who attended Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, etc.

    UNC has like 20 NBA players right now. Kentucky about 25. Duke 21.

    All those places have many more players and impact players playing professionally than Michigan State.

    The guys that stay at Michigan State are almost all guys that know they don't have a bright NBA future. They are not typically drafted high, nor do they have good NBA careers if they even make the NBA in the first place.
     
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    ^ Kansas is the other one. Those four schools lead the NBA almost every year in players (and impact players).

    It's Kentucky, UNC, Duke, and Kansas, and then everyone else.
     
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    players staying 4 years are a luxury the big guys don't usually have. Roy will have that next year and will have a FF favorite b/c of it. there aren't any NBA stars on UNC's roster, haven't had a potential one in quite a while(really only Barnes, Lawson and 1 year of Brandon Wright in recent years).
     
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    Carolina currently has 15 players in the NBA, MSU has 8 and they have 4 guys that have recently retired/left the NBA. It's not as bad as it seems.
     
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    I've done plenty of research on the subject. I too acknowledge the validity of the Wainstein Report:

    "The Wainstein report shows that from 2000 through 2007, five or more basketball players were enrolled in each of 16 lecture-style classes that had been quietly converted into no-show classes. Twelve of them took place after Williams arrived at UNC in 2003 to coach the team.

    They illustrate the depths of an 18-year scandal that experts say is the biggest academic fraud in college athletics. Nearly half of the 3,100 students in the classes were athletes, and the report cites pressure from the Academic Support Program for Student-Athletes as a driver behind the classes.

    The Wainstein report does not identify which athletes took how many paper classes, nor does it break out the number of athletes by sport who took them each semester. Wainstein said he was prohibited from releasing that information by the federal Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, a law that universities have repeatedly used to shield most education records.

    But the report does show the number of enrollments by class and by semester for the three sports that used them the most: football, and men’s and women’s basketball.For a men’s basketball team that typically includes about 15 players a year, the numbers are substantial.

    In the 18 years of paper classes, men’s basketball players accounted for 363 enrollments, an average of 20 enrollments per year.

    The Wainstein documents also reveal a friendly relationship between Crowder and Wayne Walden, coach Roy Williams’ hand-picked academic counselor for the basketball team.

    They show the two working together to get players into the classes and Walden providing tickets and other team freebies to Crowder
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    http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article10122626.html


    Now you can appropriately shut the fuck up about the report. You were the quite possibly the only person in America naive enough to think the basketball team was not involved anyway. Maybe next time you actually read that shit before you slap childish insults around
     
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    antwan jamison??? holy shit kudos to him for playing well into his 50's....
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    it's 16 not 15, how is that more than twice as many?

    Jamison is not current, don't know why he is in bold. has not played this year and he was recruited by Dean Smith so I'm not sure how that has anything to do w/ current talent.
     
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    http://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/c...ast-Conference/1/North-Carolina/2/NBA_Players

    Like I said, more than twice as many. That one counts the Wear twins, who attended UNC, but left after one season for UCLA.
     
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    you are literally the dumbest person I have ever come across, you are such a moron that you have no clue what you are reading.

    Dan Kane has been on a witch hunt, he is not a reputable reporter. NONE of his opinions about the basketball program are told in the Wainstein report. he even mentions McCants who the Wainstein report said was NOT credible, the WR also said Roy had NOTHING to do with it and he came out looking great.

    Use that empty little head of yours and actually READ it for yourself:

    http://3qh929iorux3fdpl532k03kg.wpe...-content/uploads/2014/10/UNC-FINAL-REPORT.pdf

    watch the video of Wainstein explaining his report:

    http://carolinacommitment.unc.edu/video/


    Let me know what you find if you can even read it.
     
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    why does Roy Williams need a hand picked "academic counselor" anyway?
     
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    My mistake, a couple blended together in bold.
    There's 14 under Roy and Hairston was suspended when he could have been a major difference on a team w/ FF potential w/ him. the difference isn't that great.
     
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    why does he need someone to make sure kids are going to class and keeping up w/ their grades?
     
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    exactly. they just hand in bogus papers anyway
     
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    ok so remove Marshall and it's 17-6

    Huge difference

    MSU not even in top 15 colleges for NBA players, I believe
     

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