After peaking in 2007, Granderson has declined each year since. I'm sincerely hoping this deal does fall through. Year/AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS 2007/.302/.361/.552/.913 2008/.280/.365/.494/.859 2009/.249/.327/.453/.780 Those are his overall numbers for the past 3 seasons. Forget that he can't hit lefties, he's losing his ability to get on base at all. F*%^ing stupid trade. I don't care about Kennedy, but I'm a lot higher on Coke having been part of the pen than everyone else. This makes Marte the lefty specialist now, rather than be a setup possibility or at least a primary go-to guy. Plus, this hurts the Yankees' ability to make a Halladay trade. All around terrible trade for the Yankees. I think Don is 100% right on this one.
Swisher had a down year with the White Sox before coming to the Yankees and that turned out pretty well. They gave up nothing of consequence and get a guy that will hopefully hit .275/.360/25+HR/20 SB and play excellent defense, is by all accounts a great clubhouse guy and signed to a reasonable contract. Count me in for that.
He didn't have a "down year." He had his second consecutive decline year, directly following his peak year. And again, they've taken bargaining chips off the table in the Halladay sweepstakes. Clearly last year after the past decade wasn't enough proof that pitching wins titles, so they're back to offensive pursuits. Unless AJax is a flop, Coke pitches consistently like he did in the World Series, and Kennedy shows nothing more than we've already seen, this is a bad trade unless Granderson plays masterful CF, hits lefties, and brings up his overall numbers. I'm willing to risk saying this is a bad trade right now.
Halladay/Yankee outlook Here's a breakdown from the NYPost on the Halladay outlook http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/yanks_remain_in_hunt_for_halladay_RVrAn1rTCOqnuk3TKslVlI
Jeter's seasons age 26-28, same age as the 3 you showed for Granderson and also directly following his "peak" year. Year/AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS 2000/.339/416/.481/.896 2001/.311/.377/.480/.858 2002/.297/.373/.421/.794
Pettitte is coming back! :beer: That is awesome. :up: Curtis will be good too in the "Grand" scheme of things.
All they need now is Halladay and it will be a good off season. If they get him it is being said they won't give him a new deal this year. I guess the thinking is to see if he can play in NY. If he can they can sign him after the season and if they can't they will get two picks in the event he goes elsewhere. All the time they will only need to spend 15 mil on him this year which is the same as either Damon or Matsui made last year..no increase at all.
Wait a second, Don. I thought Kennedy was shit, anyway? Wasn't that your opinion of him? So what do you care if he was traded? And, yes, Granderson has sucked against lefties, but here's something that people always forget when talking about everyday players facing RHP or LHP: There just aren't that many lefties in the league. 2211 685 The top number is the number of plate appearances Granderson made against righties. The bottom number is the number of PA against lefties. And he was an everyday player. He didn't sit against lefties, skewing the numbers. He'll face 3x as many righties as lefties. People are freaking out about 25% of his ABs, ignoring the other 75%.
Code: Year Tm G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB 2007-2009 DET 459 2015 1796 325 497 87 44 75 211 58 11 195 393 .277 .350 .499 .849 119 897 11 10 9 5 8 2000-2002 NYY 455 2095 1851 353 583 92 7 54 222 81 10 197 312 .315 .388 .460 .848 121 851 41 29 11 7 9 Those are the totals for the timeframe I posted vs. the one you did. Jeter was better in almost every category. Now the question is, and I can't answer this honestly because I'm a Yankees fan and I like Jeter, but would you have traded a talent pool of Jackson, Coke and Kennedy for Jeter? I just don't believe the Yankees made a smart move with this, regardless of how Granderson hits against lefties.
I'm a Yankee fan too and I should've clarified why I put those stats up. That was dumb not to. My point wasn't to compare the two, but to show that Jeter had a very similar decline at the exact same time frame it happened with Granderson.
Wait, are you kidding?! Of COURSE you make that trade. And while I'm not thrilled about losing either A-Jax or Kennedy, I don't think it's a horrible trade for Granderson, either. It's not trading the entire farm for him, and Jackson's ceiling doesn't project much higher than Granderson's. Oh, and no one was comparing Jeter to Granderson in terms of talent. They were saying that two declining years doesn't mean a player is washed up.
3 points: 1) Granderson's numbers were murdered by Comerica Park. Pulling to right field at Yankee Stadium he can easily hit 35 homers. Plus, I don't think that his on base decline is particularly devastating for the Yankees because they won't hit him at the top of the order like Detroit did. Stash him in the #6 spot and see what Kevin Long can do with him. 2) Coke is totally replaceable. I generally feel that the LOOGY is an incredibly overrated role, and Robertson/Aceves/Marte is a solid relief core anyway. 3) Jackson had a very high average on balls in play last year, a disturbing trend considering that he hasn't yet developed big league power. He's a good prospect, but he's shown nothing to suggest that he'll be as good as Granderson. Coke and Kennedy aren't exactly dealbreakers. The Yankees got a very good player for a thoroughly mediocre return, I'll take that any day of the week. The only really convincing point against the Granderson deal is that Jackson can't be included in a potential Halladay deal now. But if the Yankees really wanted Doc they'd probably have to give up Montero and Hughes anyway, and they can still do that if they see the need.
Fair enough. I misunderstood your point. On point 3, then you've traded away a 5-tool player, significantly younger, who projects to be the same, along with a guy who could be a #5 starter or better, along with one of only 2 lefties in the pen. Which leads into point 2, where we disagree. Coke wasn't "great" but he was good last year. And he's a lefty. On a team with a manager who is obsessed with situational baseball. Marte is now our LOOGY, whether we would do that with him or not. This, for a guy you're admitting is probably going to hit ~6 in the order. I just can't get on board with this deal. I hope he plays well, since he's ours now. But this is the kind of deal you kick yourself over in a few years.
Coke had one of the worst HR/9 in the league (off the top of my head i want to say 6th worst). Coke is the least valuable of what we gave up, and should be the least of your worries. Duff (who the Yankees wouldn't include in the deal) throws harder and has potential to be more valuable and has a good chance of breaking ST with the big league club. Jackson, I'm a huge fan of his and will miss him. I hope he has a great career. Kennedy, I still think he could've been a productive back of the rotation starter for the Yankees, but with McAllister in the upper minors, it softens the blow. He has a great chance of breaking ST as Arizona's 4th or 5th starter.
