I had completely forgotten that Tabata was part of that deal but this is a good move to resign him. They didnt put the $$$$$ but it has to be better than what his option year was.
You're kidding, right? Marte for 3 years? Wasn't the WHOLE point that they only wanted to sign marginal relievers to one year deals? Isn't that the reason they didn't sign Viscaiano last year even though he was great for the Yankees in 2007? Cashman is still a fool and will always be a fool.
Ortiz has stated that the Sox need to add a 30 homer guy. Lowell is not that guy. I think they will both bounce back, but c'mon. Tex is a huge upgrade over Lowell.
If Epstein had said it it would have more weight. Ortiz isn't the GM. And I'm not saying Teixeira wouldn't be an upgrade, but he just isn't a fit. Lowell is a big guy in the clubhouse, and that increases his value some, even more so if Varitek doesn't come back. On top of that, he's going to be very hard to trade. I don't think there's going to be much change in the lineup. Bay can be the 30 HR guy, and if Lowell is healthy, he's good for 25 more. If Lowell isn't coming back at 100% it changes things, but if he's healthy I don't think there will be much turnover.
^^ Don't hijack this thread with Red Sox propaganda, make your own f*cking thread. Don, I'm with you, 3 years for Marte??? I dunno, he was hyped before he got to New York but surely did not live up to it, IMO. I'm getting excited, Free Agent signings soon. Hopefully the Yanks will move quick. Edit - sorry guys, I click here for Yankees info, not to read about Epstein, Ortiz, Lowell...appreciate it.
Except Theo is listening to offers for Bay, Ortiz isn't getting any younger and he represents one of 2 major "if's" in the heart of the lineup. I'd rather get Tex and remove one of those, at least; And he makes the second one not as disasterous as it could potentially be. And M4P, this is Yankee news. You guys need to know who is in the uniform that finishes above you in the standings.:up:
I don't see where people keep getting that Lowell is going to be hard to trade, I've heard some strong rumors about both Philly and the dodgers having strong interest in him even at his salary if he is healthy come spring, and subsidized he is very attractive to a great number of teams, as he is one of the better all-around 3b in the league, a few teams i could see having interest based on varying amounts of subsidization are: TEX, CWS, MIL, of course that is contingent on him showing he is healthy. But even if he isn't traded in spring training his value only increases moving toward the July deadline if healthy, as 3b is a weak position around the league and he'd be a big upgrade for teams with wild card hopes, especially in the NL. I understand the original poster's point that the real value of Tex is increased if trading lowell means subsidizing him, however as the Dice-K posting, and several other trades proved this kind of expenditure is not something the Red Sox will shy away from if they feel a player is worth it. honestly based on the history of this front office I doubt Lowell plays much of a role in their decision as to whether Tex should be signed, value is value, and depth is something the Red Sox can afford.
OMG, YOU'VE HEARD STRONG RUMORS?!!?! WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SO!?!?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!! As for Yankee news, the Marte signing is a bit odd, but not awful. Once again, if Don hates it, I can only assume it means good things for the Yanks. Here's to hoping Don rates this the worst offseason ever for the Yankees.
My point was that all the people on here saying the Red Sox won't sign tex because they can't move Lowell are full of it. with that I'll stop my non-yankees related comments.
Bingo. There is always a market for powerful 3b. We could even wait till July and get the most bang for the buck after he is proven healthy and has played enough to fill a mid-season need. And I' not stopping
I thought this was really interesting. Obviously, the Yankees are always going to spend money, but this is Hal saying this. While you expect Hank to come out "guns blazing," you don't expect that from Thrifty Hal. I have to say, I'm impressed. Maybe these guys actually do care about the team and making it a winner. Interesting that Dad still gets involved. He looked aged last year when he came out on that cart.
He plays CF and 1st base. Weird combination but he is, at best, a backup to both. If that isn't weird enough he is a switch hitter who throws lefty...lol.
he strikes out a lot....but has great pop in his bat....and is a team-guy first (not sure how that will workout in the Yanks clubhouse though :wink: )
What I really don't understand is why the hell they want him. He is due 10 million in /10, 11 million in '11 and a 12 million option in '12. For a .230 hitter? They could get Giambi back for half of that. BTW, the Yankees also game them Betemit and some other minor leaguer.
There's more money in a "winner" then a Yankee, err loser. :smile: You son of a bitch. I'll cool it >>
I was hoping they'd go after Swisher, but I considered it wishful thinking more than anything else. I like this move. Good value on the trade, too. They bought low on a guy coming off of his worst season. He's a good OBP guy. Not quite one of those Three True Outcome players (like Dunn), but close. And - unlike Giambi - he's young, durable, and an adequate defender. No reason he shouldn't go back to putting up an OPS+ in the 120's. The only downside to this trade, as far as I can see, is the possibility that this means there's less (or no) chance of the Yanks going after Teixeira, if they plan on putting Swisher at first. If he's going to play in CF, well, I don't know how anyone could say this isn't an instant upgrade over Melky and/or Gardner. ETA: Here's his contract info: 2009: $5.3 million 2010: $6.75 million 2011: $9 million The club holds a $10.25 million option for 2012, with a $1 million buyout. Where are you getting your information?
What it sounds like to me is a genius move. If they get Tex, Swisher plays center. Like you said, instant upgrade. If we don't get Tex, we've replaced Giambi. If we get Tex and fill in center, Swisher becomes an option for revolving. I don't see anything bad with this move. Plus, it rid us of Betemit, and I can't find a single problem with that.
My wet dream scenario (and it's not completely unrealistic): Trade Matsui, Kennedy, and someone else (if needed... Melancon? Coke? That could be more than enough) to San Fran for Matt Cain. You'll get a quality young starter, and knock about $12 million off the books. Then throw a metric shit ton of money at Sabathia and Teixeira. You'll go into next year with Swisher in RF, whomever in CF, Nady in LF, Damon at DH, and Teixeira at 1B... with a rotation of Sabathia, Wang, Joba, Cain, and Hughes/Aceves/Pettite/etc.
