2008-2009 Yankees Off-Season Thread

What would it cost us for Carl Crawford? (In the Rays thread, I read he is on the trading block?)

 

i doubt they would trade in the division, but why would we want another corner outfielder when we already have nady and abreu

 

That's true about not trading within the East. I actually brought it up on the basis that Abreu may not be returning (I hope he does though, which wouldn't make Crawford necessary to trade for.)

 

Do you even bother to check before you make a fool of yourself anymore? Apparently not.

Pavano

'05 4-6 4.77
'08 4-2 5.77

Hughes

'07 5-3 4.46
'08 0-4 6.62

 

They apparently don't want Abreu back. Nady is supposed to take his place in right. What they need is a CF and I see where they are interested in Cameron. Maybe Crawford can play center too.

 

Crawford hates CF. He did play it a few years ago when Baldelli was out at the beginning of the year but they quickly moved him back because it affected him at the plate.
I cant really see the Rays trading him as he is signed for the next few years at a very friendly rate.
Now if the Yankees want to inquire about getting Sonnenstine from the Rays, I would be all about that.

 

Mike Cameron?? Are you serious Hes a has been that is not fit to wear the pinstripes, Hell id rather have bernie at 50 than Mike Cameron

 

Crawfords' agent has hinted that Carl wants an increase in pay, after he "carried" the Rays to the WS this season. The Rays could be trying to nip this in the bud, keep payroll relativly low(even with their miniscule increase) and still contend with the talent they'd acquire.

 

I'm sorry, what are these limited stats supposed to represent again (aside from your idiocy when it comes to statistical analysis, of course)?

Let's look at what you said, which was, "And he wasn't even as good as Pavano save 2 or 3 games when he did pitch."

Aside from that being a horrifically ambiguous sentence (I might even go so far as to say it was willfully obtuse, but I fear that would be giving you too much credit), there are several issues with such a comparison:

1. It's a ridiculously limited sample size. Jesus Christ, you went from Pavano '05 to Pavano '08. Hughes has his own injury issues, but the fact that he was actually able to contribute to the club in consecutive seasons should tell you something.

2. You use very poor indicators of individual performance (W/L and ERA). Look at nearly any other peripheral.

3. You try to skew the comparison by saying, "Hughes was worse than Pavano. Oh, except for those few times when he was better." (This is assuming that I am correctly parsing that awful attempt at a sentence.) Never mind the extenuating circumstances that allow for such cherry-picking... just given the small sample size, you're not doing much except reinforcing a Great Wall of Dumb.

 

Realistically, I think they get C.C. and Burnett. Tex goes to Boston or Baltimore and Manny stays put in LA.

 

didnt something like 80 mill come off the books this year?

 

So if Teixeira goes to Boston, what happens to Lowell? You think they can move him? A 35-year-old 3B coming off of hip surgery? They'd need to eat nearly all of his salary. Which means the cost of putting Teixeira in Boston's lineup isn't just the $20+ million salary he'll likely command... it's also the significant portion of Lowell's salary that the team would need to eat in order for other teams to even begin to realistically consider a trade. I don't see it happening, if only because I don't see them moving Lowell.

A little less than that when you factor in buyouts and salary bumps for non-arb eligible players. I thought I saw that someone had calculated it to be around $65-70 million.

 

They can mve lowell if he shows himself healthy, the phillies offered him more than the sox when he was a free agent, and still are interested, if they eat salary another 5-10 teams come into play. Milwaukee, LA even without eating salary, CWS look like a fit, COl if they eat salary, maybe tex too. Also lowell would be awfully good to have coming off the bench for the first few months, giving youkilis, tex and ortiz days off, while proving his health for a potential midseason trade.

 

The Phillies offered that to him when he was a year younger, coming off a career year in which he put up far better numbers than he did last year, and was not coming off of major surgery.

Which I noted. It's the only way another team would be interested in him that doesn't involve loss of brain function in the front office. But that raises the effective salary of Teixeira.

Why would those teams want to give up any sort of talent to pay a 35-year-old third baseman $13 million for the next two years?

There aren't many teams outside of the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, and Boston who take on salary dumps. And that is precisely what trading Lowell would be.

No shit... this is why I don't see it happening (unless some other team bends over for Theo).

 

Philly is the most likely destination. They need a 3b, need some pop back now that Burrell is gone and still have a hard on for Lowell. Boston has already said they'd eat at least half of his salary, same if they can move Lugo.

Also, it's Boston. They, like the Yankees, could spend $250 mil and not blink. Money is not an issue here.

 

I think if the Sox get Teixeira it's a clear sign that either Lowell or Ortiz are done. Ortiz has been saying he's fine now, but I haven't heard about Lowell. If he's healthy, I don't see any way they go after Teixeira.

 

See, now this makes sense.

I agree that money isn't an issue for the Sox... which is why I'm always surprised when they hold to a budget, respect "value" over anything else, and fear the luxury tax.

 

Cool. Left-handed pen help is always welcome.