1st and Goal -- One decision stood out as symbolic fail

Discussion in 'Tebowmania' started by Bannon, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    hes not a RB, he's running an option system. his plays should be much bigger, when we ran it w/ Brad Smith his YPC was much higher.
     
  2. Bannon

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    He has had very few direct snap runs. You're conflating those with the "read option" where he puts it in the RB's belly first. Those are the ones that have been inconsistent.

    The direct snap is just like what he's doing on the fake punts. Save it for short yardage and just bomb the line.
     
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    I said in either situation he's not producing.
     
  4. Potzer

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    Someone has sold you on a pack of lies if you believe Tebow is going to break long runs.

    He hits you, wears you down, moves the chains, then throws when you're demoralized from having the rock pounded down your throat. The running works because the threat of the pass, and the pass works because the threat of the run. Ya know, that ground and pound Rex used to talk about.

    If you're expecting Tebow to be Brad smith and run for 15 with consistency, you're mistaken. This is why people in this forum have repeated ad nausem that Tebow is being misused.
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I've seen the man play, he shouldn't be getting 3 yds or less 90% of his carries. he's talented enough to help us win games. I think thye should use him as a regular RB at times.

    If he can only succeed wearing down a D he'll never get that shot here. This is the NFL, that gimmick worked briefly a year ago. You can't win w/ that long term.
     
  6. hutch2426

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    Nor can you win with Sanchez. With comparable stats if Snachez doesn't do something they will start Tebow at some point. Tebow had just as bad of a recieving corps as Sanchez and found ways to win. That is starting almost halfway through the year with no time to gel(that seems to be a big excuse for QB's this day). Sanchez needs to figure out how to pull some out this year.
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    the Jets nearly made 2 SBs w/ him so it's been proven you can win w/ him.
     
  8. catfish

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    you can win with him plus a top 5 defense, a top 5 offensive line and a top 3 run game....here a secret EVERY QB IN THE LEAGUE CAN WIN UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES
     
  9. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    the only year we had that was his rookie year and yet we still amanaged to make it the next year too.

    even the best D's, truly great D's(which we have never had), need quality QB play to win especially winning 4 road playoff games.
     
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    2010

    4th overall rushing yds
    3rd overall defenseive yds allowed
    6th overall total point allowed
    2nd overall pass blocking
    4th overall run blocking
     
  11. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    you need to watch games instead of just citing stats. Those rush #s are skewed thansk to Brad Smith #s and a garbage time great game from Joe McKnight in week 17. Our top 2 backs averaged 4.16 which is good but far from great. Mcgahee averaged 4.8 YPC for denver last year.

    There aren't any official pass and run block stats so please don't post those.
     
  12. displacedfan

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    The INT was on a different drive. The one you are thinking of was where Mark threw to the wide open Kerley. They then ran Tebow for 10 with Mark split out wide. They then ran Tebow again on 1st and goal and was brought down after 2 and went back to Sanchez.

    Two crucial mistakes. I first disagree with taking Sanchez out of QB because you know he was moving down the field. But they did it, oh well. The next mistake was then pulling Tebow on 2nd and goal because you know he just gained 10 and 2. Together, whether it be Rex or Sparano, they really messed up that drive. Either let Mark finish the whole drive, or bring Tebow in and let him finish.

    It seemed this game that packages in general were subbed in late on both offense and defense, although defense it only happened once.

    Disregard, just read rest of the thread and realized people already pointed this out.
     
  13. Ozymandias

    Ozymandias Well-Known Member

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    TT should have been left in, he would have gotten into the endzone.
     
  14. NY Dork

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    Truth is Rex and Sparano are afraid of this Tebow thing getting out of control before Sanchez has had time to either clearly succeed or fail. They could have played TT much more during the first 4 games and they both know he could have the offense playing at the same level if they would havemade the move. The differance between these guys in the passing game isn't much.

    We've seen teams do this before. Pull a QB before a final verdict is in. Another loss or two and the fans and media will make the decision for them.

    Dawkins is exactly right, it's not time.....yet. In the next month, the verdict will be in. Either Mark plays like an NFL QB or the outside pressure will overwhelm the situation.

    If he doesn't.......it's likelyTim Tebow will start the game in Jacksonville and every game thereafter.

    Clearly the WR corp on the team is lacking firepower and without an energized running game....it's all downhill from here on it.
     
  15. BJXX

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    Thank you. DUMP THE WILDCAT! The silliest offensive scheme on football.
    Tebow has never been an effective Wildcat QB, particularly when it is obvious to everyone what is about to happen. Even at Florida the pure Wildcat was good for 2 yards at most.

    He is indeed a spread option QB who can run when the opportunity arises.
     
  16. JaxSuzy

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    I agree - they're not helping Sanchez or Tebow by breaking up the rhythm like that.

    This ^^^^^^^ x 5,361 gigabytes lol
     

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