1986...The Picking Through a Garbage Dump Edition

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  1. FirstTimeCaller

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    Ahhhhh yeah, gay comedy! :rofl: :up: :smile:
     
  2. 28rogerblaze51

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    Out of all the years new york has won championships, yankees and mets included, 1986 was the luckiest in history.
     
  3. nyjunc

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    The Mets did get some breaks in that WS BUT that Met team was a GREAT team, they should have won more than just 1 in that era.
     
  4. 28rogerblaze51

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    so your saying the redsox didnt deserve to be there?

    have you ever heard of one game can change the momentum af a series?

    and you know what im talking about...
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    The Sox deserved it and would have been a worthy Champion but the mets were clearly the best team in MLB that year. It never should have come down to needing a miracle to win but they got the job done.
     
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    reality is a reality, that was luck.

    i know what you mean but what if he scooped up the ball?

    what if norwood made the field goal against the giants, it was luck buddy.
     
  7. nyjunc

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    The game was tied, if Buckner makes the play they go to extra inings and the Mets probably still win.
     
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    ^how can you guess that?
     
  9. FrankTheTank

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    Not only that but im convinced Bob Stanley wasn't gonna beat Mookie to the bag anyway, he had gotten off the mound a little late to cover first.
     
  10. Penning10toColes

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    Not really...I'd argue 2000, because Clemens was inexplicably not thrown out after throwing a piece of a bat at Piazza. That was ridiculous. Since it was Game 1, the entire series could have changed. I'm not going to argue this because of the response I would get.

    Anyway, 86: First of all, it should be pointed out that that Red Sox team was extremely lucky to get where they were. The Red Sox-Angels series was kind of insane. Second of all, other than the Buckner play, what was so lucky for the Mets? They most likely would have won, as everyone has pointed out, game 6 anyway, and they won game 7 in decisive fashion. I see very little luck there.

    The fact that they came so close in 88 is evidence that the 86 Mets were for real. No luck, unless you can't the fact that there was no drug testing back then as "lucky".
     
  11. nyjunc

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    It was Game 2 not Game 1 and I think it was the 1st inning, if the Mets had any testicles they still had 8 innings to win that game but they got scared and we went up 2-0 en route to a fairly easy 5 game series win. Luck played no role in that.
     
  12. Penning10toColes

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    I don't think the Mets getting scared was a factor...
     
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    They sure looked intimidated to me.
     
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    Who would not be intimidated by a pitcher throwing 96 mph that was foaming from the mouth? That was not natural. They were not too intimiated when Mariano came into that game, and the Yankees barely hung on to win.
     
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    The game was over at that point, the pressure was off. When they could have used an insurance run in game 1 what did they do against mariano? when Games 4 and 5 were w/in a run or 2 wha did they do against mariano? Just b/c you made a blowout look closer than it was doesn't mean you accomplished anything in game 2. Once we tied Game 1 in the 9th the yanks never lost control of that series.
     
  16. Penning10toColes

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    They might have lost control of that series had Clemens been righty ejected. That's all I'm saying; he had no business being in that game.
     
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    As a fan, I was not too upset by the Yankees winning the series as the Yankees were clearly the better team.
     
  18. nyjunc

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    It takes alot to get ejected in a playoff game, pedro tried to bean a guy in the head and started a bench clearing brawl and was not ejected, manny carried a bat to charge clemens and wasn't ejected. Clemens almost needs to be in that psychotic state to be effective in big games. Mybe his 3 best games in october for us he knocked down ARod and that sparked some words in the '00 ALCS here I think he had 18 Ks, the bat incident w/ Piazza and the near brawl w/ Boston in the '03 ALCS. overall his postseason record is spotty but get him in a rage and he's great.
     
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    ^^ interesting theory, but what about the time he got tossed in the first inning of the opening series against the As. It was 88 or 89, I think.
     
  20. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I guess times have changed that as 1990. I don't know exacty what he said to the ump but he did curse at him supposedly. i guess you can do wat you want to other plsyers but stay away from the ump.
     

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