12 Years Ago Today...

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  1. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    Dude, I know you don't like Rex, but c'mon.......
     
  2. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    Completely disagree. Rex's ultimate cheerleader act is an unprecedented demeanor for an NFL head coach. I personally think it has a lot to do with the inordinately high number of turnovers and game-changing mistakes his teams commit on a weekly basis. I don't believe his personality is conducive to holding players accountable for their mistakes and I think it's an enormous problem.
     
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  3. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah just what I thought you can't argue because I got good points. I'm not saying Rex is the greatest coach of all time but he done a great for what he had to work with. If you can't see that you're hopeless.
     
  4. jilozzo

    jilozzo Well-Known Member

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    Not sure Kotite even qualifies....u may have to go back to Walton
     
  5. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    It's actually funny and pretty ironic because Herm played the game not to lose the game. All you need to do is see the Doug Brien kneeing the ball debacle against the Steelers to see this. Same thing with Mangini. Both of these coaches would drop into a 4 deep shell and give up every sideline throw underneath in the closing minutes of games to allow quarterbacks to march right down the field if they had had a lead with 2-4 minutes left. I still think Mangini got a raw deal and should be credited a lot for helping to build those 2009 & 2010 teams. He hasn't gotten a chance in the league again after the Browns although I really think he should've.
     
  6. Pocket Jet

    Pocket Jet Well-Known Member

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    another man of all words and little substance. Now he makes mega bucks on ESPN wearing pink socks, brown suit , green shirt and an orange tie. Could this be yet another clown suit????
     
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  7. Pocket Jet

    Pocket Jet Well-Known Member

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    actually yes. They are still little boys in a mans body. they are accustomed to smoke being blown up their ass until their final snap.
     
  8. 24McNeil

    24McNeil Well-Known Member

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    dude, seriously?? have you ever stunk at anything?? do you not realize that you would still stink at it regardless if your dad or mom told you how good you are??

    just look at how he talked up kyle Wilson and how badly he stinks and the dude still walks around with such swagger it's hard to fathom. dude had a sack last week and did a dance. no one blocked him and he is a defensive back who got lucky and he acted like l. taylor at his best.

    does belichek hype his players??? NO, he hypes the opposing players to no end.....it's not an accident....because he gets it.....
     
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  9. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Both those guys stood right where Rex is at this point during their careers with the Jets.

    Herm was 2-10 in 2005 and Mangini was 1-8 in 2007.

    The problem both years was a mix of the coach's difficulties and a lack of talent on the roster.

    Rex is in the exact same situation.

    The underlying problem that the Jets have had for 14 years now is that if Woody Johnson doesn't pony up big in free agency the Jets talent levels just aren't there to be a contender. That's not how it's supposed to work. Free agency is supposed to give you the pieces that put you over the top after you've built a sound base through the draft. The Jets just haven't been able to leverage the draft during Woody's ownership. Something keeps getting in the way there.

    When the Jets spend money in free agency they're good for a few years and then they're scraping bottom again, because free agents don't arrive great, productive and bushy-tailed at 22 years old. They're 5 or 6 years older than that. Then a few years later they are retired (or ought to be if anybody the team had drafted was good enough to take their job.)
     
  10. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    That " something" may be in your username.
     
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  11. irishwhip03

    irishwhip03 Well-Known Member

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    I think comparing me to an NFL player is a bad comparison. The highest level of football I've played is high school and even there the coaches had their favorites. And those players acted differently. So imagine those 3-4 guys on a team with 60 others with either the same ego or a bigger one. Like you pretty much said every athlete thinks they are great. From the best player on the team to the last guy on the depth chart they all have egos. A coach isnt going to make it any better or any worse. Especially in the NFL.

    And Belicheck doesnt have to hype his players. He has a Hall of Fame QB. To compare his job to the job Rex has to do is an even worse comparison.

    If Belicheck was the coach of the Jets this year we probably wouldn't be 1-7 but we sure as hell wouldnt be what the Pats are. Meanwhile if Rex was coaching the Pats they probably have the same record they do now.

    Only in extreme cases do coaches effect the outcome of games. Gameplans help but at the end of the day it comes down to the talent of their players.
     
  12. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    A BB clone is exactly the type of coach needed here ASAP. Get tough with your game or you are history . Or your an older player and not so hot anymore should be the message!
     
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  13. jdon

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    Well if you are looking for constants, how about Bradway?
     
  14. 24McNeil

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    I wasn't comparing you to an nfl player. nor was I comparing belicheks job to rex's. just how they handle there players differently.

    lets not get sidetracked here. my point is/was that we need a realist head coach here who isn't concerned about being a players best friend and doing his job to win games.

    great coaches don't talk up scrub players just to hype them for no reason. they try to keep players from getting too big a head and keep them grounded. rex does the opposite and it tells me he is delusional or plain stupid.

    and if you honestly don't think head coaches have effects on outcomes of games I am going to end this conversation because I am dumbfounded by that statement you made because in my opinion, the head coach is only second to the qb as the most important person on each and every team.
     
  15. irishwhip03

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    I just dont think they are as important as people make them. You put Belicheck on a bad team (which the Pats were before Brady stepped on the field) and he has a bad record (which he did before Brady stepped on the field).

    I give him credit for coming up with gameplans each week but there have been plenty of games over the years that the Pats dont win if Brady isnt their QB. If the level of importance for a team is 1.QB and 2. Head Coach then its a wideeee margin between 1 and 2.

    I dont think Rex needs his players to love him I think he just wants to win with his guys.

    And who cares if Rex talks his players up? He's been doing it since he got here. Not many people hated it in 2009 and 2010 but now cause were losing its a problem? Makes no sense. And he also talks players on other teams up too. The coaches that blast their guys to the media after losses are the coaches that lose a locker room and then lose their job quickly after that.

    If Rex blasts anyone on his way out it'll be Idzik..and rightfully so.
     
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  16. 74

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    I bet you've never coached anybody at anything in your entire life
     
  17. Quinnenthebeast

    Quinnenthebeast Well-Known Member

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    If Idzik took Geno in the draft, what does that say about Geno?
     
  18. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    IMHO if we did not win the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP it was something less then a "great" season as U posted :mad:
     
  19. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    for you maybe b/c you are miserable but I have memories that will last a lifetime w/ my now deceased father attending games w/ me. Thanks for checking in though. we don't play these games, there are moments bigger than wins and losses.
     
  20. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    Kotite was our OC during the Walton years. After Walton we had Coslet who was also OC
     

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