Theres no way he didn't cheat. Along with Foulke,Varichick,Manny, and others from that team. The great thing is that all the success that Boston has had this decade,will all have a *,when all is said and done.
Some oaf takes out some 2003 Topps cards from his desk drawer at work, lists 103 of the players, and tries to pass it off as the cheater list and we're supposed to humor him. I guess that's what this is about.
The problem is that this assumes that PED usage was equally distributed among talent levels. This isn't necessarily true -- nor would we expect it to be true, if PEDs actually, you know, do the thing that the first two parts of the acronym suggest they do. And you know who Dan Smith is? You consider Brent Abernathy to NOT be some backup middle infielder type? You consider Ryan Franklin to NOT be a fifth starter for a shitty team? Or Hector Almonte? I don't know.... *shrugs* I'm not saying I think this list is the real deal. But even if it's not, I wouldn't be surprised it if were representative.
Are you serious? Just because the Red Sox played in this era their victories are tainted? That makes no sense.
If that list turns out to be true,a good part of the team were on performance enhancing drugs,illegal to baseball. Tainted. It makes perfect sense
Then so are the Yankees. And the Mets. And the Pirates. And the Philles. And the Mariners. I've said it before, but who even cares anymore? Let's just fucking move on already.
The difference is that the curse-breaking championship you guys won in 2004 was tainted. A-Rod and Giambi may have been using 'roids, but the Yankees haven't won with both of them on their roster. 2004/2007 Bosox Teams = Cheaters.
Nah,the Yankees last won in 00. If this list is accurate,it wouldn't be just a few,but a good part of your teams. I care mostly because the original reports weren't naming Red Sox players and we all know it was bullshit.
Even if they enhance from out of baseball to a AA or even A caliber player it's still an enhancement. Fringe players on PEDs might be minor leaguers or even non-professional quality players without them. In fact, I would think the shitty players would be WAY more likely than the All-Stars to be on something, because it could be the difference between playing professional baseball and mowing lawns or something. I've heard of Smith because he pitched for Pawtucket and was supposed to take over for Brian Rose, but they ended up trading Rose for Arrojo so he never did. I can see though why most people wouldn't know him. Abernathy played for Tampa so I know who he is, and Ryan Franklin has been above average most of his career. Not great, but definitely a solid 4 for a lot of teams, and now I think he's a reliever. Almonte is another guy I know probably only because of a connection to the Sox though. Still though, I'd be very surprised if this turned out to be an accurate list. The overall talent level is too high IMO. The other issue I have is there are no "shocking" names. Everyone on there has had some suspicion of one kind or another. I would think the real list would have someone like say, Rivera or Bill Mueller. This list is basically just a compilation of the Mitchell report, guys that have been caught/admitted it, and guys whose names have been thrown around in the media already.
Yes, because clearly steroids weren't used until after 2000. This goes back at least to the McGwire/Sosa HR chase, and probably before it. And admitted user Pettitte was a key to a lot of the Yankee success before and through that time. Like I said though, who cares? Nothing is tainted, including stats because it is impossible to separate the "dirty" from the "clean". Like the people who want an asterisk on Bonds' HR record. Are we going to go and figure out which ones were hit off pitchers that were using, so that's ok? Are we going to see how many juiced up outfielders robbed him of a HR or ran down something in foul ground that they wouldn't have to end an AB? It's a pointless, stupid exercise. At this point it appears that there was a level, albeit enhanced, playing field so there's no reason to bother with trying to figure it out.
Wow, strong points. I can't really refute such a convincing argument. So you don't think that the fact that this list of names doesn't include anything new casts doubt upon its authenticity? I'm not saying that these players are or aren't on the list, my only argument here is that I don't believe there is any chance whatsoever that this is the real list, and the lack of new names would support that idea.
