@BrowningNagle Same with Detroit btw: https://www.detroitlions.com/team/front-office-roster/brad-holmes "Brad Holmes was named the Lions Executive Vice President and General Manager on Jan. 14, 2021. In his role, he oversees the Lions' football operations and reports directly to Principal Owner and Chair Sheila Ford Hamp and President and CEO Rod Wood." I am telling you, we need one guy who is the head of football and GM at the same time. It's just needs to be a good guy. Splitting this position, even if someone does it in NFL somewhere under some circumstance, just means GM is less attractive for candidates. I am really hopeful Spielman and Tanny will find the right guy. Spielman just did that for Washington.
I'm a fan of this move. Anything that moves Woody further away from the decision-making process is a win. I don't have strong feelings about The 33rd Team overall but it's reassuring that they successfully helped the Commanders with this process.
The Vikings are a pretty well run franchise and draft pretty well for the most part too. Spielman was there for 16 years.
For me it's basically saying be afraid, be very afraid. I pointed this out elsewhere and i'll repeat it again here. Nobody (other then maybe Greenie's terrible "fan" takes) beat that "you do and give up whatever it takes to bring in Aaron Rodgers as your QB" drum louder then Tanna in his ESPN spots leading up to that trade being finalized. He's on record for being on Team Just Give Up the 1st outright...or 2. Pretty much every GM'ing take Tanna gives on ESPN comes across completely outdated and cringey imo. That he had some past success over a decade ago doesn't wash away the concern I'd have in the modern day with putting his voice in any decision making room. Game has passed him by. This is a hard sounding lean into "more of the same ol same ol Jets" to me.
lol And we all KNOW that this would be a MUCH better decision than if Woody were making it on his own
Hey Woody, I got a little tip for ya. Save the money on the Team 33 BS and go out and hire Borgonzi. You're welcome.
Does indeed sound better then were Tanna ended up on it. I didn't follow Spielman's evolving takes on the situation like I had to with Tanna (until i just quit watching ESPN daytime talk shows altogether this year), but he's still losing me right off the bat as soon as he states GB having the leverage there. I still vehemently disagree with that being the case to this day, and I wouldn't want a GM that wasn't capable of walking into that negotiation feeling similar.
Only time will tell if this is the right move. Spielman was involved in the Commanders search so I'll give him points for that. However, Adam Peters was going to be the GM pick, regardless of what Spielman's input was, is what I know from following that situation. At the very least, Woody is getting advice from real GMs who have been in the war rooms before and in Spileman's case, has had some good success drafting vs some Korn Ferry bullshit. As sad as that is, it's an improvement for this confused franchise.
I like the way you are thinking! Still, what if he is hired by someone else? You need to look at all options here, and 33d guys will do that.
I do see your point about Tanny. He is not a good GM any longer and his takes, like the leverage one on Rodgers, are pretty bad. At least he wasn't throwing a pick swap on top of two 2nd round picks . Also, he did last offseason express concerns about Rodgers coming off the injury. Still, your point is well taken. However, with Spielman in there, I think he going to counterbalance quite a bit. And he did have success last year with Washington search. The thing to remember though is that these two guys are not going to be our GMs, they are only there to help find one. They both have experience at GM position, had success, have a lot of contacts, and I think will make a solid combo to find a good candidate for the Jets.
You and I are on the same page with this one... Spielman helped search for the management team, yes, but the ENTIRE success of the Commanders was hitting on Jayden Daniels. Something the NY Jets, up until now, has completely and utterly failed to do. I don't know if it's bad luck, bad coaching, bad management or a combination of all three but the NY Jets have STILL not drafted and coached up their own drafted QB. Pennington had moderate success but he come to the Jets "NFL Ready" and needed little no coaching. His physical limitations are what held him back. Mark Sanchez arrived with a near generational defense in place along with Rex Ryan who, at the time, still hadn't fully bought into his own bullshit. He was, at that time, still an effective coach and (see defense comment). No one else... NO ONE else has been drafted to the NY Jets and done much of nothing. As of this writing we have a couple "trying" to make their mark in Geno Smith and Sam Darnold but, so far, Geno is nothing more than an O.K. to "good" QB and Sam Darnold is keeping a seat warm for the Rookie. He's playing well but even that has begun to wear off. So, that's where we are right now. Rock meet "hard place" and NY Jets meet Mike Tannenbaum. He who couldn't KEEP his job here the FIRST time. An awful lot of re-runs, re-treads and re-peats where the entire HISTORY of the organization dictates that "we" go nowhere NEAR anyone who was previously with the organization in any type of managerial capacity.
I get it man and I'm as frustrated as you are. However I'm trying to look at this as optimistically as possible. The Jets have a strategic advantage on the rest of the league right now. More time than anyone else to put together a plan to find their guys. For the first time in many years I'm cautiously excited because they can actually build this thing the right way IF they hire the right guys. I'm not going all gloom and doom because I've done enough of that with all the awful shit they've been pulling for years now. This, to me, is a golden opportunity right here and right now. We shall see how they handle it.
Again, this is not a re-run. Tanny and Spielman are not going to be our GMs. But you need some experienced football people to find one. I mean you want Woody and Chris doing it themselves? Of course not. These guys, while may not be good GMs themselves any longer, have plenty of connections and can help identify one. Spielman did it for Washington just last year. Tanny runs a successful football analysis company, 33d team. These are serious football people, particularly Spielman, who already helped another organization last year. This is definitely a good development for us.
