Why don't you like Moore? I didn't know any of these guys, but I have watched a lot recently and would take him over Mendoza even as things stand now. He has extremely fast processor and great instincts. He is athletic but always pass 1st, does not like to run until he has to, but can when he needs to. Very accurate, one of the leaders in College football in completion %.. Made a lot of NFL throws, has a great deep ball. Bigger arm than Mendoza and almost 2 years younger too. Got better as the season progressed.
Guys it is a crapshoot with qb's. It really needs to be a good situation for them to thrive, comes down to fit and healthy support. We draft Josh Allen, Herbert, and Maye and we fuck it up. Just need things to align. I like Mendoza and I like Moore but really they arent Elway or Luck as prospects where their ability is far superior than the rest
I don't know a ton about Moore yet. But from what I've seen, his ball placement is pretty good but he's mostly a 1-2 read guy. Lots of wide open WRs and single-read throws. Gun to my head I think he'll need a good OC and/or good roster to do well in the NFL. That and fans just have a natural tendency to talk themselves into guys they shouldn't when they realize they aren't getting the #1 guy.
I know I am hammering the point home and probably annoying everyone with it but I’m starting to look at prospects from the lens of how they play from the pocket. Moore tries to get rid of the ball extremely fast when rushers are 3 steps away from him. Mendoza stands in there and delivers when he gets smashed. I think that’s a huge differentiator. I also don’t see Moore climbing the pocket. Mendoza does and the really good prospects generally do.
Saw one game of Moore this year and gave me huge Zac Wilson and Justin Fields vibes. One read QB, major red flag. Let’s see him in the playoffs but don’t get talked into this guy as your guy. If there’s one thing I trust, it’s Mougey.
Moore scares me. Too many scars of failed QBs. I'm really Mendoza or bust but will support the guy if he's here 100%
@REVISion @Jonathan_Vilma @WoodyHarrelson Take a look below all 22 from last game. 49:00. Very first play of the review. Processes very quickly and gets to the 3d read. Hits deep TD. Second play 50:55, 1st read is not there, moves off, finds a guy on the 2nd read, put the ball in a perfect spot. 3d play 52:15, hits a strike on a 3d read. Btw, with 90 running right at him, he is unphased. 4th play 54:55. This one he basically decides to take a shot on a deep ball with a lot of anticipation for 1 on 1 WR vs DB. Puts in the perfect spot and gives his WR a chance. If we have GW or even Smith/AD on the go route 1 on one, why not give it a shot? He also has the Edge on the right running right at him, still throws unphased. 5th play 56:25. This was a great catch by WR, but note how he rolls to the right, and still throws a great deep ball on the run to the opposite hash with accuracy. This something Mendoza is not as good at. Moore does have a better arm talent for sure. 6th play 1:00:25 Throws with anticipation but WR gets bumped and falls, and the ball is picked off. This is unlucky one 1:02:10. Gets to the 3 read, find blown coverage, easy TD. 1:03:13. Incredible throw, NFL high level throw, great anticipation. This is anti Fields. Cannot compare it at all. Fits the ball between 3 guys with anticipation in the chest. Excellent stuff there. And beautiful arm there too. 1:05:21. Gets to his 4th read. This one is a rare miss though, at appears he expects his WR to go to a slightly different spot and misses high, but still, please do not assume he is a 1-2 read QB, the guy has excellent processor that works very quickly and efficiently. 1:07:41. Stands in the face of pressure and delivers the ball on the 3d read. Get's picked off, and this is not a good throw, he changes the angle and the balls hangs a little bit, This kind of shows a lot of what we discussed. This was from 1 play-off game, but he showed wide arsenal there. JMU is not a great team, should have never made play-offs, but still a quality opponent, 24th ranked. He is definitely not a finished product, but please, can we put to bed this 1 or 2 read QB, no anticipation, like Fields and Zach, etc... The processor is excellent there, and a beautiful arm. And he does throw in the face of pressure, he improved on that as the year went on. He played very good competition too all year, and Oregon is not exactly known to be a powerhouse. And he is 20 years old, 2 years younger than Mendoza. I am looking forward to the next game, should be very interesting, but this is why he us #1 for me as of now. If the Raiders take Mendoza and we end with Moore as a consolation prize, I am not so sure we got the worse end of the stick. I try to evolve my approach every year since Zach and Fields also had some good qualities, but Moore has a significantly better processor and anticipation than these guys, which is translatable to NFL. I don't think it is a fair comparison to Zach and Fields. And Fast processor IS translatable to NFL. The fact he delivers in 2.5 seconds and still completes 73% of passes against good competition is a good thing. Mendoza has 2.7, which is decent, but there is notable difference. I like Mendoza too though.
Said this before but the only thing that scares me about Dante Moore is that he has the best players the Nike Corporation can buy around him. Literally. every single week his team has more talent than their opponents on the field. That might help him “deliver” the ball a millisecond quicker than other prospects
He goes through the reads though, I just showed it. He just does it very quickly, which is good. Also, since when does Oregon the most talented team? How about next week - that is a an excellent team on the road, no?
every year in this play for pay era. no next week is not on the road it’s the Orange Bowl in Miami. They are playing Texas Tech, also a team that was bought, in their case with oil money. So they have good players too but … I still believe Oregon will have more talent on the field
I think the reason Moore gets rid of the ball quickly is because his coach is good at scheming guys open and Moore rarely gets past his first read. Tua 2.0 basically. He can be good in the NFL with a good OC, but he's not a guy you want to trade up for and his success will always be reliant on surrounding talent and OC.
I just showed how he get past multiple reads and still gets the ball out fast. Including 4 reads. He is no more a 1st read than Mendoza, maybe less actually. It's just not a fair statement. He does have weaknesses, but the 1 read thing is simply not one of them. As far as Tua, I did not evaluate him, but just checking the release time, it is more on par with Mendoza, not Moore. Moore's strength is that he can go through reads and process, and makes quick decisions, 1 read is certainly not a weakness. I do see @Jonathan_Vilma's point as far as stepping into the pocket, and I do want to see more of that in the next game and check more of the tape. But 1 read thing is just not a fact based on all I watched, which is a decent amount and take a look at the video I posted before.
I can't wait for that one either, should be a good challenge. If there is a talent gap, I assume it is small, correct me if I am wrong.
I’m going to give a detailed analysis another day on the QBs in this draft starting with Mendoza, Simpson and Moore. However, like I said before Mateer is going to be the best one of the bunch. His Washington state film is ridiculous. Oklahoma bought him for 3 mil and he had to learn a new system and played with a broken hand for almost half the season. Mateer is a gem fellas and will be exciting to watch in the NFL with his playmaking ability. I think Mendoza has that it factor and reminds me of Nick Foles. I really like his pocket presence and accuracy. Simpson has the highest ceiling of the bunch. Such a small sample size with him. He’s definitely not pro ready but could be special if he sits behind a vet for a season or two. Moore has some dynamic playmaking ability. Definitely going to get pushed up the draft with Mahomes/Caleb Williams type plays and comparisons. My only reservations with him similar to Simpson is the small sample size of starts.
I haven't watched Mateer, much yet, but I don't like excuses, new system, hand, etc... The production this season has not been good statistically. And take it with a grain of salt, since I have not watched, but still, if you don't make excuses for hands, etc, has production been good on tape, better than statistics? Because statistically it's pretty shit. Also, he is short. 6-1 at most, and maybe less. Very few short QBs succeeded in the NFL. It's just a fact. The ceiling is limited. Maybe it is not being able to see that well over the bigs upfront, Tua mentioned that before, but whatever the case may be, there are very few QBs below 6-2 who succeeded. I understand making an exception for Caleb, who was a top prospect, and taking your chances there, but for someone who just had a statistical season Matter had coupled with 6-1 at the most height, count me out. Btw, I have a similar concern with Simpson, but at least he is listed at 6-2, so there is some hope there. Also with Moore you have to factor he is 3 years younger than Simpson and 2 years than Mendoza. I do get the concern about small starting sample size, and this adds to the risk profile for sure. But overall the top 2 prospects look pretty decent to me. Simpson might also be OK for 1st round, but later. Mateer, at least on paper, looks very concerning to me.
Take a look at his stats from his Washington state days if you’re a stats guy. He played some good teams too like Washington and Texas Tech. For me it’s his zip on the ball, his ability to pick up first downs with his feet, his gamer mentality and his toughness. The kid has that it factor on the field very similar to Baker Mayfield and Jaxson Dart.
I like to watch tape AND look at stats. I will take a look at the tape too, but only this year's as the more relevant season is the last season though, not the one before that. You cannot just erase the last season, people do regress, especially if he had to play tougher competition. Plus like I said the height is a major red flag for me. You may be the only one who put Mateer ahead of the other 3. Literally everyone else has him 2nd round or below. Definitely below the other 3 guys.
This years tape is good too. You can see why Oklahoma gave him max nil money to go there. On a negative side he needs to work on pre snap reads and not to rely on his athleticism and rushing ability so much, That’s how he broke his throwing hand. His throwing motion is also more side arm and that’s concerning for batted balls at the line of scrimmage. However, there’s no chance of changing that because the velocity and tight spirals he throws with that motion is impressive. I’m pretty confident he would have been in the conversation for the Heisman if he didn’t break his hand. I also feel he could be taken in the second round for many of the concerns you mentioned and that value of a low risk high reward asset like Mateer is attractive to me.
