Is that a bad thing though that they were able to identify good QBs for years? They didn't exactly have top picks to get these QBs either. Love was picked late round 1 when Rodgers could still play. Heck, maybe if Woody were not dumb enough to keep JD last year, and we ended up with a GB guy for a GM, we could have picked Bo Nix in this draft and actually got an offensive coach who could develop him, like the way GB did with Love and MLF. So, I don't think this GB assistant would be a terrible choice, but I would go with the Philly guy. Philly once again made conf finals without a great QB but via strength of their overall roster, well rounded scouting and analytics department, and good coaching. That seems to be the theme since Roseman took over control of the roster in 2016. In that time span went to 2 SBs with two different coaches and without a great QB. And now conf finals at the very least. Halaby has been there all this time, and maybe could replicate something like this here.
Korn Ferry is a general purpose headhunter organization with little or no presence or insight into the league; Casserly and another NFL relic were out of touch with what went on in the league at the time but at least in those instances Johnson reached out to try to do better than he had alone. I don't consider casual recommendations by Parcells, Manning or anyone else as Johnson ceding his hiring power. In the end all his hirings were his - at least he appears to understand he is not equipped to be making these calls in a vacuum. 33Team has its fingers on the heartbeat of the league and knows who are the movers and shakers and up and comers - that's why they are in place today. "If at first you don't succeed..." is an improvement over saying "we tried to pay for help which didn't work out so we'll go back to doing it ourselves even though that doesn't work." Whoever or whatever Johnson uses to feed him information on appropriate candidates has to be looked at as an improvement over him doing it himself. The Johnson family is not going away - why are people here complaining that they are still trying to get it right. Is there a stone unturned with the secret of successful hiring in the NFL they should know about?
Improvement? You are aware the Jets are coming off looking as if they have no idea what they're doing taking this long to hire a new GM & head coach? Woody fired the HC after week 5 the GM a few weeks later. The Jets had a good headstart on every other team yet may be the last team to make hires. Was Coach Ulbrich formally fired? Or Hackett? I read he took a job in Atlanta I don't remember hearing or reading he had been fired. It's just weird.
These "sources" think it may be JES. Now, as there are no leaks from the Jets, essentially all they know is he interviewed well. Highly probable coming from JES camp that he interviewed for Jets and Titans. It might be true. I thought Borgonzi has VERY similar profile but more success, so it makes sense that the Titans picked him. Even when you look at QB, you have to give credit to GB FO for getting Love. But KC traded up for Mahomes!!! That trumps that move. GB did well getting coach MLF. But KC got Andy Reid when he got fired. So, yeah, if it is JES, why couldn't we get Borgonzi as we had a head start on the Titans? Hoping it is Halaby, then at least things make a bit more sense, even though JES is a solid hire in my book too.
Ulbrich was not fired. I believe he knew he had no chance, and he probably had all he could take from the pitiful environment he was placed under. New HC and GM beware….this is not GB, KC, Detroit or Tampa Bay.
I don't see it that way. I think he was told he had no chance as a HC, yes, that was one in a million shot anyway. But I don't think we can conclude he would mind being a DC here. It's just that why would he wait to find out whether the new coach would keep him as a DC when he already has a guaranteed DC offer? That would be just stupid. He could have been out of the job. Take the guaranteed position using your connections to Morris over the same non guaranteed position. Just common sense, doesn't mean anything else. And btw, I am not sure sure he is a good DC. He may or may not be. There was a notable drop off when Saleh left. We saw the signs of deterioration defensively even before Saleh left, so it is possible his departure did not hurt as much, but we don't know that. When Saleh left, we were #5 overall in points allowed this season. Now, that certainly was not sustainable, but without him we were bottom 3 in NFL. Also, don't forget #32 ranking the 1st year when we had no talent. At least we know Saleh can coach up to talent level. But was our talent really bottom 3 on defense this season? I'd argue maybe not that low. Certainly when you have a defensive HC and when he leaves defense looks much worse, it's a fair concern whether your DC is actually good or was carried by the HC.
just sad to say that the list seems to be pretty underwhelming…in the last couple of years we’ve had Sean Payton and Jim Harbaugh available…proven winners…and we weren’t even in the game then. Now, the closest to that is McCarthy, also a Super Bowl winner but we’re not even talking to him apparently. I don’t want yet another DC as a first time HC…we’ve tried that time after time and it just has never worked for us. Time to try something new. I’d be fine with McCarthy, I’d love Kingsbury, I wouldn’t mind Monken…just get an offensive guy. If not offense, then I could get my head around Spags at least he’s been a successful DC in multiple places, he’s been an HC before…I’d rather have him than Rivera, who to me is just the epitome of mediocre and yes I say that knowing he did get to a Super Bowl, but I just don’t see it with him. I don’t want Glenn even though I loved him as a player for us…I just can’t do another rookie DC. I don’t want Flores…yes we need a strong leader with discipline but we also need someone to pull the team together instead of alienating players. I just don’t think that will work here…to be that kind of HC you need to be a proven winners…Lombardi, Parcells, Belichick…he’s not in that class. So not super crazy about any of the options honestly but if I had to rate them, I’d be good with either of McCarthy or Kingsbury…knowing that Ben Johnson is not interested. I’d put guys like Monken a bit behind those two, probably on par with Spags.
I'm not saying he is or isn't. Nothing to do with him. I am saying going to the Jets with the current ownership is not a preferred destination, not by a long shot. Many good candidates are shinning away from the Jets with other opportunities available. Its naive to think we can get anyone available.
I think the ownership situation compared to other teams is way overblown, and probably influenced for some fans by a certain report, citing anonymous sources who were on their way because they failed. However, I do not think coaches or executives are influenced by that report as much as fans are here. The biggest problem of this owner IMO is hiring wrong people and then giving him too much time. That should detract these people actually getting hired as they think they are good and will get a lot of time to work. I think not having a QB or a top two pick to get one really hurts. But I do not believe Ulbrich accepting Atlanta DC has anything to do with the above, but more so with having a job for next season, which was offered by Atlanta and not offered by the Jets at this time.
Looks like there are no leaks at all. The guy coming in for the second interview wasn't named by any one of these "insiders". Lance Newmark from Washington visiting tomorrow.
I am just lost at this point. Newmark is a Detroit guy, and this is the team that is an epitome of failure aside from the last two years. And btw, I will not be surprised if they go back there after Ben Johnson leaves, but the bottom line is that Newmark literally had one good year in Detroit (last year) and now with Washington. But he is a Detroit guy through and through for 25 years there and that organization aside from his last year there stunk worse than us. And this in spite of having lucked into #1 overall pick Stafford because they sucked so bad, who is likely going into HOF. How are we about to pick a GM from there is beyond me. And btw, some of you don't like Woody because he meddles, etc, I think it is off base compared to other owners. I loathe that mother fucker for illogical things like this that will likely cripple this team for years to come.
I’m surprised For some reason I missed that Lance even had a first interview. I now start to suspect that a Glenn selection is more likely.
Looks like we will have answers by tomorrow. It is important to select soon because head coaches have to line up staff. With Johnson going to Chicago it looks like Glenn and the Jets may have a deal. I have no particular opinion on the selection but it's good that he really wants the job and is well acquainted with the history of the franchise good and bad.
I don’t dislike Woody because he meddles, I dislike him because he wants to manage all things he does not know shit about when it comes to football, like leadership selection, demands on players to bring in, release or negotiate, etc
I understand the importance of selecting early, but I think it is more important to pick the best candidate. Even if you have to wait until after the SB. I would have waited for Brady or Kingsbury. My strategy would have been 1st to pick the best GM that is out there as quickly as possible after I had the advantage over other teams, because to get a GM you do not need to worry about teams being in play-offs. That selection would have made by early last week as by that time I would have already talked to everyone. And then with the best GM in place I would have him interview second round of candidates starting today, since that's the day you can bring in person. Or if some teams are in play-offs, have another zoom call with new GM in place. For example if you really like Brady over zoom, sure you want to talk in person, but if you are 90% sure you will hire him, you just wait until the Bills are out, and then pull the trigger. This could be a week from now, but I would get the #1 candidate, not the #1 candidate from the teams that lost. This is very different from the strategy 33d team selected. They focused on getting GM and coach that know each other as basically a tandem. And I do suspect they wanted to hire this tandem this week like you said to start assembling staff. So, essentially, you are looking at the best available tandem from the teams outside of conference finalists. But the key is the tandem, which I feel limits the options. JD and Saleh were not failures because they never worked together before. The failed because they sucked, but it sure looked like they were always on the same page. So, to me this tandem is the wrong approach, because it does not ensure you get the best of each, and also possibly excludes guys like Brady and Kingsbury. Right now I feel like they are going to get this Detroit tandem, and if so I would consider this a major failure.
