QB's taken in the first round, instant success or not?

Discussion in 'Draft' started by tbruner12, Apr 4, 2018.

  1. SolidGoldBowles

    SolidGoldBowles Well-Known Member

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    you need to stop replying to one line and read the whole post
     
  2. tbruner12

    tbruner12 Well-Known Member

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    Sure, just like any other player in any sport.
     
  3. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    No pick is important to the future success of the Jets as a championship team until we have ownership and management in place that can draft and develop a championship quality team. What's idiotic is ignoring the fact that while it's true franchise QB's have won most of the SB's, it's not true that 1st round QB's drafted by their original teams win SB at a high rate. It's true that Montana and Brady have won 9 SB between them. It's also true that Montana and Brady weren't top picks at all and went to two teams with arguably two of the 5 best HC in football history. In the last 5 years not a team won a SB with a 1st round pick that they drafted at QB.

    Chances are excellent that he sits for a year, stinks for a year and a new GM, HC and OC come in that will draft their QB of the future. The reality of this pick is our current GM is tied at the hip to him. If he can't get a staff and team around him to develop him in 2 years there's a new staff in place and no new GM is going to want to tie his future to someone else QB.

    The two teams in last years SB had arguably the 2 best staffs in football. Football is a game of attrition. It takes a deep roster and a great staff that can actually develop talent to win a SB in this era. None of these QB's are carrying the Jets to a SB unless the owner gets his head out of his ass and finds the next great GM/HC who knows how to develop talent and break down opponents.

    What we know is we traded more value than the pick is worth. The GM panicked before the draft, he didn't think Watson or Mahomes were good enough last year. This pick isn't going to make the NY Jets a championship team.

    As far as being an idiot, that may or may not be true. There is no pick that is more important than any other pick. What's proven over time is SB winning QB's and great players that surround them can be gotten in any round of the draft or in FA. That doesn't change the fact that good teams win SB and if you give up value for a pick in most cases its mis-mangagment that sets your team back.
     
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    tbruner12 Well-Known Member

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    Agree 100%!
    If Montana and Brady did anything in their careers, it is prove that QB's are never as good as the coaches or system that is in place when they started playing.
    FQB's are very rarely drafted high, built around entirely as the team foundation, and successful in winning Super Bowls.
    A QB is only as good as the players around him, period.
    What most of the posters on this board are begging for is Tom Brady to be drafted at #3. He isn't there no matter who we pick at QB, because of the things you mentioned.
    We need so many more things on this team than another clip board holder. IMO, Rosen and Darnold look to be the best QB prospects in the class, but every year a QB slides and goes to a team that has what this team lacks ( atleast better than what we have on the JETS) and plays better or ends up having a better playing career than those QB's drafted at the top.
    We are just as well off playing McCown and Teddy than drafting Mayfield or Allen (our possible 3rd QB option in the draft) than reaching after so much draft capital has been spent. Trading up was stupid at this point in the rebuild. The pick must be a pro bowl type player to justify the loss if you consider what we could have done with those 3 2nd round picks. If it ends up being managements 3rd option at QB, they should be fired immediately.
    Position doesn't matter, but a pro bowl player is a must.
    I really believe the 3rd pick will be a shock if their QB is picked before #3.
    QB is important, but any player that is added in the draft or free agency must better the team.
    You couldn't be more right, management and the coaching staff is the most important aspect of a dynasty or a team in rebuild mode.
    There isn't a once in a generation QB or even remotely a top 10 QB in this draft, if he plays for this team.
     
  5. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    Good assessment. I would make one distinction: if by some chance you already possess a FQB or potential FQB, the incoming GM/HC would probably keep him and build from there. In that regard, if you find yourself with a shot at getting that FQB you take it because it's a fairly rare occurrence...unless you actually do have astute people running the team, and as it stands right now that doesn't mean the Jets.

    But aside from that, I've wanted the Johnsons to sell the team for a few years now, or at the least, hire a Pres. of Football Ops to run it. Instead we're left with Macc & Bowles, two guys learning (maybe) OTJ.
     
  6. joe

    joe Well-Known Member

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    Lots of head scratch posturing in this thread. First off, blame Lloyd Carr for being stupid enough to play Drew Henson over Tom Brady at Ann Arbor. As for Montana: Ice Bowl (Cotton Bowl) vs. Univ. of Houston anyone? As for Brady: down 14 vs. Alabama in the OB anyone? The greatness of both of them was established before they set foot on an NFL field.
     

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