While our personalities are markedly different, and we often disagreed in the past, in spite of your frequent sarcasm, I always had a grudging respect for your knowledge and for not being a poster who gave in to emotion, rash moves, and impatience with the Jets. I'm truly surprised that you have joined ranks with some of the clueless, impatient posters we have. Your posts in this thread have been ridiculous and not your norm. If your name hadn't been on the post I responded to, I would have thought it was someone else, not you. How can you think that Mac is so awful and yet say that he shouldn't be fired. It's amazing the facts that you ignore, yet try to claim that your opinions are indisputable facts. We all know what a clueless moron Woody is and how he interferes. We know that Woody hired Bowles, not Mac. We know about the the screwy org chart where Bowles and Mac are peers and both report to Woody, and that Woody is too readily influenced by who he likes best at the moment or whom gets his ear at the right time. We also all know that it takes at least 3 years to judge draft picks accurately. Do you seriously think that Bowles would have been in favor of a complete rebuild when he was hired? With Woody's clamoring for the playoffs, do you seriously think Woody would have listened to any GM and gone with a complete rebuild in Mac's and Woody's first year, especially with Bowles probably against it? We all knew (or should have) that when Mac took over it was going to take years to turn things around. That there was little or no depth, that the offense had been ignored, that there was little team speed, few playmakers, and holes all over the roster. Hardly any of Idzik's draft picks were still on the roster, and we had too many old, over-the-hill players who were complacent. They may have been more of a known quantity and more experienced, but they weren't more talented or fast than the team we have now. A team doesn't get immediately better when it does a complete rebuild/youth movement. Anyone who has ever watched NFL football for more than a year knows that. Sometimes a team has to get worse before it can get better. It takes 2-3 years at a minimum to turn things around. Young teams often have to learn how to win. WE all know how important the QB is to winning. Mac didn't have the opportunity to draft Mariota or Winston. Paxton Lynch, whom some here thought Mac should have drafted, is sucking in Denver. Unless Trubisky, Mahomes, or Watson pan out, Mac didn't have any franchise QBs drop in his lap like Idzik did and then ignored them. Mac did as well as could be expected considering the makeup of the players in the drafts that Mac has been in charge of. Hack is only 22, is showing progress and has a great football IQ and cannon for an arm. He's worth the investment and patience with. You also conveniently have forgotten that his first year here, he had to deal with Bradway and the previous scouting dept. that had sucked so badly. After that draft he changed personnel in the scouting dept. and the drafts have been better. Also, all young rookie GMs struggle somewhat and have to learn on the job. Mac drafts the players. It's up to Bowles and his CS to coach and develop the players, put them in positions to succeed, get them prepared to play, craft sound game plans, and then win the games. Their sub-500 record is all on Bowles and his CS. There is talent on this team. Bowles hasn't disciplined the players and held them accountable, he hasn't had them prepared to play, with a few exceptions, his game plans have been awful, his in-game adjustments (really lack thereof) have been practically non-existent, and his game and clock management have been abysmal. He's been more concerned with keeping his job than developing the young players that Mac has drafted. No one is saying that Mac is great or deserves the HOF, but he did get an award from his peers in the NFL his first year with the team for the job he had done. Wolff and Casserley highly recommended Mac. I trust their judgment more than anyone's here (including my own). I think I have been very fair in my evaluation of Mac. It takes any young GM some time. Even experienced GMs make mistakes. He is far from perfect, but he's the best GM we've had in decades, and one of the best the Jets have ever had, although that's not saying much. Ron Wolff wasn't perfect, neither was Charlie Casserley. Two of the best GMs presently in the NFL, Colbert in Pittsburgh and Newsome in Baltimore have made more than their share of mistakes as has Reggie McKenzie in Oakland. We'll never know for certain, unless Mac or Woody speak out, whether it was of his own accord or Woody's insistence, but it appears that Mac has bent over backwards trying to accommodate and help Bowles by giving him the defensive players he has wanted. I've criticized Mac when I think he has made mistakes, like practically ignoring the OL, and giving Bowles what he wants too much and continuing to ignore the offense. I've questioned his insistence on taking the BPA seemingly without considering need. I questioned his continual trading down in the draft this year and for taking Safeties back-to-back in the 1st and 2nd rounds. If he fails to seriously address the OL in FA and in the 2018 draft, I will criticize him severely for that, and seriously question whether he should stay. If neither Petty nor Hack prove give very strong evidence this season that he is our FQB, the Jets wind up with a top 2 pick, and Mac then fails to take a QB if there is a topflight QB there, then I will want him fired. He may ultimately fail, but I think has been a lot better in his job than Bowles has in his, and unless a lot of the young players he has added wind up as busts, has done enough good to earn the benefit of the doubt for another year, maybe two.