Does He Make Your Top 5?

As an old timer, Ill go back to Carl Brazaluskis, a defensive lineman. We passed up John Dutton, who became an all pro for the Colts, to take him. And he sucked mightily. Kyle Brady should be on the list, both because of them picking a tight end in that draft (and by passsing Sapp), and because he was a beast with Penn St and did next to nothing with the Jets.

Browning Nagle was another big disappointment - Schnellenberger called him "the best QB I ever coached", but he couldn't get it done. And for those defending Dewayne Robertson - I never saw a guy that big get pushed around as easily as he did. A total bust.

 

Admittedly I have been watching the Jets for far fewer years than most of you so I have a much smaller baseline of comparison...so, yes, Sanchez makes my top 5, probably my number 1 as well. But, as I said, I've only been a Jets fan for a few years.

 

Mike Nugent has to be up there somewhere.

 

Considering we're 4 years in for a guy that we traded into the top 5 for....and we'd be lucky to get a 7th rounder in return for him....yeah its safe to call him a bust.

You dont walk away from QB's that arent busts. The Jets couldnt give him away right now.

 

Please. Sanchez is (one of) the worst QBs in the league _this year_. But he's done better in the past, and has managed the team well especially in 2010. Compare that with Vernon "Super-bust" Gholston, the highest-picked first round DE in history to NEVER RECORD A SINGLE FREAKING SACK IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER???

That was the draft where both Jerod Mayo and Aqib Talib were available to the Jets; not to mention DRC and Chris Johnson. And we ended up with this scrub

 

You can add Keyshawn Johnson to this list. He was a great receiver, but when you draft a guy #1 overall you expect to get more than 4 years out of him.

 

It's a simple matter of math. Sanchez was drafted at #5, Gholston at #6. No significant difference in pick value. Now tell me - really - that we got even one tenth of the value from Vernon Gholston that we did from Mark Sanchez.

The Patriots almost never lose shootouts. I'd argue that the way to duel Tom Brady is not (mainly) with another high-powered QB, it's by changing the game, by building a defense that can control him and the Pats. The Jets (yes, even the Tan-gini-s) had the _right plan_, and when Rex finally arrived to coach up this defense we were a very dangerous team. As the guy who should have been the centerpiece of that defensive line, I argue that Gholston was as much a disappointment if not more.

I'm not backing Sanchez, it's time for him to go. But I think people are a little more bitter right now than is necessarily warranted. VG, on the other hand... nothing good to say about that loser, nothing.

 

Completely agree. What people are forgetting is that the first 2 years he was only asked to manage a game and not screw it up because they had a strong D and top run game. His receivers were open largely because of the run game, not his prowess at QB.

If you recall his first 2 yrs in the league he threw flat-footed, he never stepped into a throw. The question I've had since day 1 has been did he do this because they identified a serious flaw in his accuracy etc. when he did attempt to step into throws or was this his natural style from his college days (I don't really watch much college ball so I can't say). To me him throwing flat-foot was a way to improve his short game accuracy. We've all seen how he makes a ball sail 5ft over a receivers head from as little as 5yds away when he steps into a throw or has happy feet. Its a theory but I think the staff forced him to do this. Once the reigns started coming off and he did step into throws, developed happy feet, etc. his game became exposed. He's never had good field vision even from the beginning. Shotty had the color chart for dummies so he only had to survey 1/2 the field. He still routinely ignores wide open receivers and locks onto 1 target and throws it there regardless of whether its single coverage, double or like last game, triple coverage.

The Sanchez apologist will point to the Eli Manning early years. Eli never had these fundamental flaws so aside from similar stats I don't get why people compare them. They were completely different players.

 

This thread makes me hope that Sanchez goes somewhere and becomes a Pro Bowler.

 

It was the #1 defense in 2009, least amount of yards and and points per game given up. That wasn't a great defense? In 2010 it was 3rd in yards and 6th in ppg. Again a GREAT defense, run game was top 5, and you credit Sanchez with his terrible bottom of the barrel play all year?

You expect people to take you seriously when you talk about "not understanding football", when you ignore all statistics and evidence of how shitty our QB is and just talk about what you remember? What you remember is clouded and fucked up, Sanchez is the same player this year as he was in 2009, only difference is the defense isn't as dominant and the running game not as good, Sanchez is still Sanchez a barely 50% completion % and 70 rated QB. sorry...

 

If he does, I won't be a happy camper. Imagine losing to Mark Sanchez in a playoff game if you're the Jets? It would NOT get any worse. That could be worse then the fake spike.

 

I don't think he actually will go anywhere and succeed... I think he's a shell of what he could have been.

I see Sanchez as a QB who has a boat load of talent who was developed so poorly that they utterly destroyed him mentally. The downfall began when they let Edwards walk in favor of Holmes, and it spiraled from there.

Maybe going somewhere where he can let his natural ability take over might offer him a shot at redemption but its unlikely. Still, like Pennington I'll root for him individually.

 

I don't have any problem considering Sanchez one of the most disappointing players the Jets have ever had, but to call him an all-time bust is IMO ridiculous. Despite what some continue to insist, he did have some success here, and it is exactly that point combined with how he has regressed to the level of a bad high school QB that makes him so disappointing.

To compare him with busts like Gholston, who never did anything, is absurd.

 

Yeah, I don't know any other bust in NFL history who played an integral part of two back to back playoff victories while outplaying future hall of famers at his same position both weeks.

Sorry, but Mark Sanchez is leaving the Jets the all time leader in playoff wins. If he's a bust, that says a whole hell of a lot about the team we root for. :sad:

 

i would actually agree that he is. Gholston was by far and away less productive, but even more reason to argue Sanchez is even MORE dissapointing. The kid flashed then totally fell off a cliff. We went from 2 back to back sniffs at the Superbowl to where we are now, and it goes hand in hand with Sanchez's progression then instant regression.

I'm looking at the list of All Time Disappointments....If we are talking straight up busts then that's another convo.

 

you keep referencing "blown leads"

you know what makes it really easy to blow leads? when your QB cant complete a third down pass leading to 3 and outs, and your QB turning it over. thats the reason we blow so many leads.

you have no clue what you are talking about. it is a travesty that you call anyone else out for their football knowledge, when you know less the anyone here.

defending throwing into triple coverage? blaming the D for blowing a 3 point lead in a game where sanchez had 5 turnovers(where the D allow 0 points off those turnovers).

get over it. you really need to just go fuck yourself and find another forum to post on

 

considering he will never start in the NFL again, that scenario is meaningless

 

I wouldn’t put Sanchez on the list unless the list included “player who got a ridiculous contract extension”. Same with Robertson. He was disappointing but he was hurt a lot also. VG was a huge bust and should be near the top.

 

Kyle Brady