Baseball the way it once was

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  1. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    Believe it: Deadball era's not dead yet
    By RONALD BLUM, AP Baseball Writer

    NEW YORK - Talk about turning back the clock. Former major league pitcher Jim Bouton announced Thursday the launch of an organization that will play by 19th century rules: The Vintage Base Ball Federation. Yup, back then baseball was two words.

    It will be six balls for a walk, and a foul ball won't count as a strike ? unless it's caught, in which case the batter will be out. A foul ball caught on a bounce counts for an out, and a hit batter is only a ball, with no base awarded.

    Gloves will be tiny, bat handles will be thick and the ball ? that's right, one ball will be used per game unless it falls apart or is lost ? will be dead. There aren't any pitcher's mounds, and there's no such thing as a balk on pickoff attempts.

    In a mixture of sport and theater, umpires must be addressed as "sir." Fans ? called "cranks" ? will be encouraged to wear period costumes, so ladies get out those flowered hats and gentlemen doff your straw boaters.

    Amateur baseball and softball teams are invited to join the VBBF.

    Chris Moran, who plays for the Hartford Senators, said fans look at these games the same way as the spectators viewed old-time ballplayers in the movie "Field of Dreams."

    "Where did these guys come from?" he said was the reaction.

    Teams will play about a dozen games during the season. A six-team, double-elimination Vintage World Series is planned for Aug. 15-19 next summer at a site that hasn't been determined.

    "The game the way it was meant to be played," Bouton said during a news conference at Delmonico's, a restaurant that opened in 1836. "No batting gloves, helmets, wristbands, elbow pads, shin guards, sunglasses. No arguing with the umpire. No stepping out of the batter's box. No charging the pitcher or posing at home plate. No curtain-calling, chest-thumping or high-fiving. Just baseball."

    There will be some allowances for modern times, such as protective gear inside uniforms for catchers and lining under the short-billed caps when players bat. There will be relief pitchers, and uniforms will have polyester, because flannel isn't durable enough.

    "A night game is not forbidden, even though it's pushing the envelope," said Greg Martin, the VBBF vice president and owner of a company that produces vintage gear.

    While the Hartford Senators have a team spittoon, gambling will be prohibited ? 19th century baseball was marked by alleged fixed games.

    "The 1880s and '90s were characterized by very rough play and ill-mannered conduct toward umpires and opponents and spectators," said John Thorn, a board member who serves on the 19th Century research committee of the Society for American Baseball Research.

    Wearing a brown derby and a vest, Bouton said Vintage Base Ball already was played by 225 teams in 32 states. In 2004, ESPN Classic televised a vintage game between the Hartford Senators and the Pittsfield Hillies at Wahconah Park.

    The rules will be a mixture of those in use from 1860-90, with an emphasis on the 1880s. The ball will have seams in the lemon-peel style, which was replaced by the current seam pattern designed by Albert Spalding, adopted by the major leagues in 1877. Pitching will be overhand, and games will average about 2 hours, 15 minutes.

    Before each plate appearance, a batter will declare his "desired strike zone preference" ? belt to knee or belt to armpits. If the umpire misses a call because his view is blocked, a team captain can ask for a "gentleman's ruling," in which players involved in the play are to truthfully say what occurred. If a dispute remains, the umpire may ask the cranks for their opinion.

    "I'm intrigued by the concept of people playing baseball for fun," said former baseball commissioner Fay Vincent, a member of the VBBF board. "Someone said this will be an effort where the strike will be something that goes over the plate and doesn't involve a labor dispute."

    Because catcher's gloves are tiny and don't have much padding, most pitchers throw about 70 mph to avoid passed balls.

    "The pitching game is less a power game and it's more a skill game: changing speeds, moving the ball around, deception," Bouton said.

    It's certainly different than 21st century baseball.

    "What irks me about the modern game is the enlarging ballplayers and shrinking ballparks," Thorn said. "A home run at one point in baseball's history actually involved a run ? running around the bases. There weren't very many home runs hit out of the park where you could stand at home plate, watch the thing soaring over the fence, cast a menacing glance at the opposing dugout and then take your time around the bases."

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    On the Net:

    http://www.vbba.org


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    Jim Bouton, right, chairman and CEO of the Vintage Base Ball Federation (VBBF), chat with federation team players Matt 'Crazy Legs' March, left, of the Bristol Barnstormers from Bristol, Conn., and David 'Fleetwood' Chambers of the Pittsfield Hillies from Pittsfield, Mass., at a press conference in New York, Thursday Aug. 24, 2006. Bouton, a former Yankee pitcher, announced plans to increase the number of teams playing vintage baseball using 19th century rules and manners, with an invitation to amateur baseball and softball teams to join the VBBF. (AP Photo/Bebeto Matthews)


    Sounds pretty cool.
     
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    That's awesome.
     
  3. AlioTheFool

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    Umm, quick question, isn't Fay Vincent dead? He's the guy who wouldn't let Steinbrenner back into baseball, and had a heart attack like a half hour after getting off the phone with George, isn't he?
     
  4. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    you are thinking of bart giamotti I think
     
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    Sounds cool, not sure if it will and who will be in it..but w.e
     
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    Why are people saying that this is cool? It would be torture to watch.

    Could you imagine Jason Giambi or Bobby Abreu in an at bat where it took 6 pitches to walk and they could foul off anything without a strike being called? It would take years!
     
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    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    I'd like to pitch in that. No balks? Just walk everyone and pick them off.
     
  8. SydneyDon

    SydneyDon 2008/2009 TGG The Green Card "International Poster

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    Why don't you guys just play cricket?

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    No thread hijak intended!
     
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    Here is a brief explaination for cricket not being popular in America.

    Back in the 19th Century cricket was very popular in America, Australia, England etc. However onnly the wealthy played it as it was seen as a upper class game and the working class were activly discouraged to play. At the turn of the 20th Century the amount of cricket being played in America, Australia and England declined so Australia and England decided to allow the working class the opportunity to play which greatly increased its popularity. In America however the wealthy refused to allow the common working man the right to play and as a result cricket slowly disappeared from American culture completely. If the wealthy Americans back in the 1900's did the same thing as those in Australia and England then cricket would be very popular in America right now. Instead the great game of cricket disappeared and this allowed way for crickets ugly daughter baseball to squirm its way into the hearts of every American.
     
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    You used to throw the ball at the runner too, will that rule be in play?
     
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    Because cricket games take 14814823489134613946 days to complete....And wearing sweaters is gay in sports..:smile:
     
  13. SydneyDon

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    What about those stocking things baseballers wear? They're sexy.

    And catching the ball with a big leather glove? Use your bare hands you soft cocks.
     
  14. ykickamoocow

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    You obviosly have a very limited understanding of Cricket. There is a new form of cricket called 20/20 Cricket which lasts for about 3 hours all up and each team can score over 150 runs. Compare this to a 3 hour game of baseball when the final score is 0-1.
     

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