Mike Vick 6'0 215lb PASSING RUSHING Cmp-Att Yds. TD Int No. Yds. Avg. TD LG 202-360 3,504 22 12 262 1,318 5.0 18 82 Vince Young 6'5 233lb Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating Career passing 718 444 61 6040 44 28 141 Career Rushing Att Avg Yds Lg TD 307 6.9 3127 75 37 Compare those stats and tell me that Young isn't gunna be a more successful "QB" then Vick. Young is gunna be the michael jordan of the NFL and if we pass on him then we should be afraid of the day we have to play the team he lands on. Stop worrying about all the tests and crap and just look at his body of work. I mean the guy has 9167 total yards and 81 tds in his college career(3yrs), thats insane. All this accompanied by the fact he wouldnt have to step right in and would get the Carson Palmer approach(since we have 2 capable players for this year) in which hed sit for a year and knock out all the little things he hasnt mastered(although there arent many of them) Hes big, strong, fast, athletic, great arm and accuracy. I like everything about him.
young in a league of his own(vick doesnt even compare) Mike Vick 6'0 215lb PASSING RUSHING Cmp-Att Yds. TD Int No. Yds. Avg. TD LG 202-360 3,504 22 12 262 1,318 5.0 18 82 Vince Young 6'5 233lb Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating Career passing 718 444 61 6040 44 28 141 Career Rushing Att Avg Yds Lg TD 307 6.9 3127 75 37 Compare those stats and tell me that Young isn't gunna be a more successful "QB" then Vick. Young is gunna be the michael jordan of the NFL and if we pass on him then we should be afraid of the day we have to play the team he lands on. Stop worrying about all the tests and crap and just look at his body of work. I mean the guy has 9167 total yards and 81 tds in his college career(3yrs), thats insane. All this accompanied by the fact he wouldnt have to step right in and would get the Carson Palmer approach(since we have 2 capable players for this year) in which hed sit for a year and knock out all the little things he hasnt mastered(although there arent many of them) Hes big, strong, fast, athletic, great arm and accuracy. I like everything about him.
I prefer QB's who rely on their passing game more than their running game. I also prefer QB's that can take a snap from under center. Young's game looked good on the college level, but the NFL is a completely different story. If you think Young is going to toy with NFL defenses like he toyed with USC's defense, you are sadly mistaken.
these stats dont mean much to me since they were in completely different programs but i give you credit for doing the research. I always respect people who put alot of time into their threads. sometimes i dont but...lol and im not exactly sure if we have someone of vinces style to teach him exactly what he needs but a year of learning cant hurt anyone
Iv'e given up on Young, u should too the Jets dont want him no matter how much i want him or u do.They'd rather draft Cutler or Leinert.
I love the NFL Everyone was dick riding Vick a few years back Now he is the reason the Falcons aren't winning... Use brains people Vick has had to learn 3 offensive systems Vick has had six starters at WR since becoming a starter. Jefferson was his target in 2002 and he retired after that season. There were two other receivers he had in 2002 and they are no longer in the league. Last year he had a Rookie and Second yr WR as his starters, and the rookie receiver showed up to camp late and got injured in pre-season He hasn't had consistency people., This will be the first off season where he will have his starting WR's for the offseason, and if you have seen the work they are putting in, you will see a much improved offense...There problem is lack of consistency. They will look good on 3 drives and sometimes look lost on others. That is because of lack of playing time together as a unit....
The problem is that Mike Vick sucks as a passing qb. I don't care who his wr's are he won't be good. He's a great running back with a great arm whose not a good passer. I agree with that the system and players have changed on him but lets be realistic at some point he has become a good passer and I don't see it happening.
Have you ever watched anything of Vince Young? Clips? The USC game? Any games? This guy is just as capable as getting it done with his arm as on his feet. The guy has a cannon arm, and an accurate arm. When he's in the pocket, he can shuffle around, make defensive players miss, find an open receiver while avoiding the rush, and hit that receiver with deadly accuracy while avoiding the rush; and if all else fails he has the tools that no other QB in this draft has to make something out of nothing. Further, out of every single player in the entire NFL draft, no player has done more to prove that they are NFL ready that Vince Young. Vince Young put on the best show and dismantled the CLOSEST thing to an NFL defense in the entire NCAA when he went up against USC, and he kicked their ass, in a championship game nonetheless. I don't understand how you can possibly get excited about ANY draft prospect without being excited about Vince Young. This kid has tremendous upside, as much as Bush and Williams, and proved it like no one else in the entire college ranks. The argument that he does it all with his legs is garbage, and tells me that people making this claim are either ignorant of his playing ability or racist (parafly I am in no way calling you a racist, this is a general observation I've made about certain people around here, a minority actually). The only legitimate gripe I've seen with Vince Young is his throwing motion. But as K.Rhodes pointed out, if the Jets draft Young he'll have a few years to sit and learn behind two former first round picks... not a bad deal. The throwing motion can be corrected. Even if it isn't, the guy is 6'5 and won't have a problem with it. This is without a doubt, in my mind at least, one of the top three talents in this draft. It would be a shame if we passed on him.
To make a comparison between Vick and Young is beyond stupid. Virginia Tech wasn't even on the radar until Vick got there. Vick was the best weapon on his squad and how many of those players from Vicks squad are playing in the NFL, much less first round picks. How many players from Young's Texan team are gonna get drafted? Why would you say he would never be a better passer? How many of his games have you seen?
Did you really have to start 2 IDENTICAL threads? You're "gunna" get jumped for this one, buddy. By the way, I wouldn't be upset if picked Young, I just think we have more glaring needs at #4.
youll see how good young will be as both a passer and a runner(unlike vick whose just a runner with a strong arm). And to address ur concerns with his ability to take snaps under center, do u seriously think that someone with his athletic ability couldnt master that if given a year to smooth out sum of the few rough edges of his game.
I disagree. USC's defense was mediocre at best on the college level. To say that they were the closest defense to an NFL defense is ridiculous. He is a project, and every respected scout has labeled him that way. I admit that he does have alot of upside, but I don't think he is a good fit for this team. We need to add a playmaker on offense or defense that can come in and jumpstart us right away. Also, I feel that Vince Young will NOT fit into the offensive system that the Jets will end up running. I will take a smart pocket passer over a scrambling athlete with a decent arm anyday.
I would argue that the reason his recievers keep rotating is because he can't get them the ball. It's a lot easier to blame the wideout than it is to blame the franchise player. A great QB can make his recievers better (look at Tom Brady or Matt Hasselbeck.) In any case, no matter how badly Peerless Price sucks it had no impact on how inaccurate Vick's passes have been. I don't even have to argue about the 3 offensive systems, it's pretty well known that they are constantly changing offenses because of Vick, not in spite of him.
My bad, my comp crapped out and i didnt think it worked so i submitted it again. Obviously i was wrong.
I'm sure that he can learn to take snaps from under center. That is not my point. My point is that he has been running a college style offense for the past few years. This style of offense has ZERO percent chance of succeeding on the NFL level. Vince Young showed he can be an excellent player while sitting back in the shotgun and having additional time to read a defense. But this does not mean it will definitely translate to the NFL. The Texas coaching staff obviously had issues with Young taking snaps from under center. I'm not sure exactly why, but it scares me. Perhaps he cannot read a defense while under center and having less time than in the shotgun?
Dude you are acting like he is this years version of Timmy Chang or something and also what kind of offence we will be running? Let me clue you in all College qb played in a college style offence. Peyton, Brett and the rest of these guys in the league today did it. That's why it is called college football. You can see this guy can play, what we need are players, who do whatever it takes to win which Vince Young has proven time & time again that he is capable of doing.
Okay, I just have to ask this question. What exactly is Vince Young's "upside?" I keep seeing people post that word, and I keep seeing it in print, but up to this point, I have yet to see one person actually state what that is. Is it his ability to scramble? If so, how is that upside? Name the last scrambling QB to win a Super Bowl. Is it his ability to take a snap under center? Oh wait... His great throwing motion? Err... His big size then? Okay, so he has the body structure to take a hit. Big deal. When was the last time you said "Wow he took that hit great!" I don't know about you but whenever I see my QB get hit one of two things come out of my mouth. One is R-rated, and the other is something to the effect of "Oh no, not again!" So what does Vince Young bring to the table that warrants so much attention? I don't give a rat's ass what color a guy's skin is. In a heartbeat I would take McNabb over any QB in this draft. Why? Because he has become a PASSER. That's what QBs get paid all that money for. It's the one position on a football field where you can't get by on physical talent alone. So here is the chance for someone to school me on Vince. Tell me what his "upside" is. I have a strong feeling that it has been repeated so many times simply because someone in the media sometime since the USC game put it in print.
Id rather not take Young, but if we do, Id root for him all the way, and hope hed live up to his championship billing
His upside is, that if he continues to progress as a passing quarterback, he will be one of the rare breed of athletic QBs that can win a game with his arm OR his legs, with enough athleticism to escape the rush, buy some time, and make a play (ala Randall Cunningham or Donovan McNabb)
