Yankees Find Gem in Edwar Ramirez

Torre usually does this to young guys, remember Bret Prinz? And early Proctor, and early Bruney...Once their are some "established" guys, the young kids have a tough time getting into games...

Although I don't know if Ramirez is a "gem"...I haven't seen him enough, and even if I did...Labeling somebody a gem is waaaaaaaaay to premature.

 

he has looked pretty good in his two outings. He hasn't been hit hard at all, and there has been a lot of swings and misses on his changeup. Now if only Joe would give him more of a chance to contribute

 

You know, this is one time I can't point a finger at Joe. The games of late have been too close. Sure, Farnsworth is a train wreck waiting to happen, but Proctor has been all but automatic the past two weeks. He went, what, 18 straight innings without giving up a run after the bonfire incident. You can't argue with that success.

Edwar will get his chance. He's been warming in the pen a few times lately. The problem is, you don't want to go with a guy you don't know in a tie, or one-run game, especially when you can't afford to lose.

If we can get a few games going where we take a 6 run lead into the 7th or 8th, I'm pretty sure we'll get a chance to see this kid.

Wouldn't it be sweet if he taught Mo the changeup? hmy:

 

I understand not using him until you really know what he can do but the way Joe overuses Proctor, Farnsworth and to some extent Mo and now Bruney he needs to use the rest of the bullpen a bit more effectively.
Vizcaino went through the overuse a bit earlier but has been used effectively lately.
Instead of putting Proctor in for a third or fourth day in a row when he has a good chance of imploding, bring the kid in and find out what he can do.
Sometimes you have to take a chance on an unknown to see if they have what it takes to get the job done. If you leave them in mop up roles then thats all will be thought they can do.

Proctor and Vizcaino both have 47 appearances on the season. 2 pitchers have 49, 5 have 48 and 5 other pitchers have 47 as well.
Houston and the Dodgers are the only other teams that have 2 releivers with as many appearances as these 2 yankees but when you add in Myers 44, Bruney 41 and Farnsworth 41, it totally blows away every other teams relievers which is why you need to find some other alternative.

 

I don't disagree with you Buttle. I'm just supporting the reasoning behind Joe's actions, which I don't wholeheartedly disagree with. I know, that sounds stupid, but the idea is that Torre wants to go with who he feels he can rely on (why Farnsworth is part of that group at this point is beyond me.) That's Torre's managing style. Go with the guys who've proven something to you in the past. I can agree to a point right now, since we need wins desperately, and we're getting them. The arms will fail given enough chances though. That's why I don't totally agree with this methodology.

The problem with Joe, as you said, is his ridiculous overuse of every single individual arm in the pen, rather than the entire pen as a whole. It's insane how many appearances have been logged by each of the relivers this year, and we need to keep in mind that there have also been OTHER guys up here this year who had appearances.

Joe loves to hold his starters to 100 pitches, and then rely on the pen no matter how many innings are left. It's sickening to me, but that's Joe Torre. Until he's canned, or retires, this is what we're getting.

The only thing I disagree with in your post is that he overuses Mo. IMO, the reality is quite the contrary. Joe took forever to get Mo into games this year. But look how he's pitched with regular work. (While this next comment isn't directed at you, I just want to say to all those who said Mo was washed up and that pitching every day would be bad for him: "Told you so!")

Like I said, hopefully, we'll get some solid late game leads in the near future, and have the opportunity to see what this kid can really do.