Yankees @ Angels

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  1. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    Monday, September 21 10:05 PM ET

    Andy Pettitte, LHP (13-6, 4.14) @ Joe Saunders, LHP (13-7, 4.75)


    Tuesday, September 22 10:05 PM ET

    Chad Gaudin, RHP (5-10, 4.81) @ Ervin Santana, RHP (7-8, 5.43)


    Wednesday, September 23 3:35 PM ET

    A.J. Burnett, RHP (11-9, 4.22) @ Scott Kazmir, LHP (9-8, 5.08)
     
  2. rhodesfan16

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    Im sorry but Fuck Chone Figgins what the hell have we ever done to him
     
  3. Cappy

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    No need to apologize for that statement. Chode Figgins is douchey enough to play for the Red Sox.

    Well, if he were white, that is.
     
  4. Yisman

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    What did he do? I heard they got him at second on a close play.

    Stuck listening to that moron on the radio.

    Tomorrow night I'll watch on TV.
     
  5. Jake

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    The NYY are sliding at the wrong time.
     
  6. Yisman

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    Boston blowing a 6-0 lead basically locks the division up, barring something ridiculous.
     
  7. Yisman

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    according to Sterling, Matsui just hit a real a-bomb after a-roid juiced one earlier.

    4-2 now.

    Bruney continues to be a gas can, only he wears #99 now and is clean shaven.
     
  8. EcKo151

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    They just cannot beat this team
     
  9. AlioTheFool

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    Not really true, just in LA.

    @LA: 0-4
    @NY: 3-1

    But some people will tell you that home field is just a "nice to have." :rolleyes:
     
  10. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    This team has morphed into another Torre POS team who thinks they can stop playing September 1st and turn it back on again in October. They will find out like they all did that you can't.
     
  11. Cappy

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    Of course, some people also don't feel comfortable making sarcastic remarks and conclusive statements using a mere four games.

    But the people who are comfortable doing that were the same people who thought the Yankees couldn't and wouldn't ever beat the Sox this year after the first eight games, and who thought that a four-game losing streak in May meant the Yankees were awful, aren't they?

    Just like that POS 2000 team, right?


    ETA: Look, if last night's game was the playoffs, you don't see Bruney and Albaladejo. You don't have Matsui on the bench. Girardi is still coasting a bit because he has the room to, despite "some people" wanting to freak out.
     
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  12. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    No, like the 2001-2007 teams.

    So you think they can just "coast" too and turn it on later, right? Why am I not surprised?
     
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    Here's the problem, Don. You're ignoring those pesky little things called facts.

    The Yanks' record (and W%) in September (bold in years they won it all):

    2008: 17-9 .654
    2007: 19-8 .704
    2006: 18-11 .621
    2005: 19-9 .679
    2004: 19-9 .671
    2003: 18-9 .667
    2002: 19-8 .704
    2001: 12-6 .667
    2000: 13-17 .433
    1999: 15-13 .536
    1998: 16-11 .593

    1997: 17-11 .607
    1996: 16-11 .593

    Well how about that? The four years they won happen to be the four lowest winning percentages. Go figure!

    How on earth do you call that "coasting" in 2001-2007? September was the best month of baseball the Yankees played in those years! You said this was "another POS Torre team that thinks they can stop playing September first." Seems pretty damn clear that those POS Torre teams kind of did the opposite of what you said they did.

    Just for shits and giggles, here are the September winning percentages of teams in the year that won it all.

    2008: 17-8 .708
    2007: 16-11 .593
    2006: 12-16 .429
    2005: 17-12 .586
    2004: 18-10 .643
    2003: 18-8 .692
    2002: 18-9 .667
    2001: 10-11 .476
    1997: 12-15 .444

    Hey, wow! Some teams were hot, and some weren't. Looks like the Marlins, D-Backs, and Cardinals were especially able to "turn it on" after coasting, huh?
     
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  14. AlioTheFool

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    Yup, that mere four games, which is actually 8 (since eight is what makes my point about home field advantage mattering regardless of what you might think) on top of the years of recent history where the Angels have absolutely fucking owned us.

    The Jets finally broke the bad mojo with the Pats because they're a different team with a completely different attitude. This is the same Yankees team that has gone into October all damn decade and went home to cry in their beer.
     
  15. Yisman

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    Don just got dunked on. The evidence completely disproves the nonsense about the Yankees not winning the WS under Torre because they coasted in September. If anything, it would make you think that winning in September has an inverse relationship to winning in October.
     
  16. Yisman

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    as for the Angels, I think they've won 18 of their last 23 at home against the Yankees. Home field is very important, because the Yankees simply have not had any success in Anaheim in recent history.
     
  17. Cappy

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    No.

    If it's eight games, it still doesn't matter. Neither do the games in years past. Different players, different pitchers. For both teams.

    You can't make those judgments about four games (or eight). You just can't. Or, I suppose you can, but it's pretty silly to make those claims as though it's fact. It's no different than when you (practically) gave up on the season because the Yanks lost four in a row. Or how you were convinced that the Yanks couldn't beat "good" teams, because they lost the first eight to the Sox. There is a pattern here, and I hope you can see it. You don't take what happens in a handful of games as conclusive evidence that the same pattern will play out in future games.

    The same team? Really? Why don't you compare the rosters?

    Jeter, Posada, Mo. They're the only ones you can say have been here all decade. 3/25 players. And hardly the ones you want to be complaining about, I would think. I suppose you can add Matsui, Damon, A-Rod and Cano to the more recent years. A-Rod is the only one who catches any flak from that group. But really, it's been the pitching. And these are the best three starters I can remember the Yanks putting out in a playoff series in a long time.

    And (once Robertson is back) this is the best pen I've seen them have in a long while, as well. Aceves > Robertson > Hughes > Mo can destroy teams in a short series.

    As for the football/baseball analogy... I think that's kind of horseshit. Football is a game that allows for emotion. Where attitude can have direct results on performance. Baseball isn't really like that. And even so, I think the reason the Jets beat the Pats had more to do with better defensive scheming, better personnel, and injuries to the Pats (including Brady's rustiness) than with any supposed mojo-busting attitude adjustment.
     
  18. AlioTheFool

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    Congratulations Cappy. You're the single solitary person on the entire planet that believes home field advantage against the Angels isn't important.

    Oh, and I love how you cherry pick things (in this case, players) when convenient. There's definitely a pattern of something around here.

    BTW: A different attitude isn't just about a swagger. It's about a completely different mindset. I take some fault for not being as comprehensive with my post as I should have been, but it does get tedious trying to have a conversation with you. The Jets' personality, not just in terms of raw "get up in your face" but also their approach to gameplanning/gameplay is completely different.

    The Yankees are just more of the same with a different guy in charge.
     
  19. talisaynon

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    I've been staying out of these threads mainly because football is back, and baseball, compared to football, is like watching paint dry.

    Anyways Cappy, just one question, do you ever post Jets related stuff or do you just stick around here?

    Sorry, continue with the homefield etc. debates.
     
  20. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Everybody in the sports world knows the Yankees are in trouble, just turn on any channel. Of course Cappy knows better than any of them.

    Surprise, surprise..ESPN just spoke about what a disaster Chamberlain is and how he has no place at all in the playoffs..maybe a 6th inning pitcher..they went on to say the Cashman debacle may have set him back a full year...
     
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