With all the cuts we just made and possible Chad cut or restructure. Could we keep Abe around??? Especially if teams are going to try and low ball us.
There is no way we should keep a 29 year old speed rusher with a big salary. His value is now, and the team is in rebuilding mode. Get what you can get for him, and get his cap number off our books...that's the best you can hope for.
Regardless, we've been talking about trading him for 2 seasons now. This was the big talk at the end of last season and it is again now. He has declared he no longer wants to be with us, and we have stated, I believe, that we only tagged him to trade him. We need to get rid of him while his price is high before it starts going down. We don;t need him. These are rebuilding years, We can find a replacement that will be just as good in a few seasons.
We'll have to be under the cap by 3/3 with Abraham because we run the risk of him signing the tender..... With Pennington cut, we'll be in very tough shape, saving maybe 3M. A restructure would save much m ore than that, double, almost triple possibly. A Coles restructure will be huge too. We'll need to get him to take his huge roster bonus as signing bonus, which would save us 5.25M right there.
If this team was going to be pushing for a long playoff run, then I would hope that they could find a way to keep him. However, at this point, it actually makes more sense to trade him. That's what rebuilding is all about, unfortunately. I have no ill will towards him, but the fact is that at this point in time, he holds more value as a trade then a player.
"I have no ill will towards him, but the fact is that at this point in time, he holds more value as a trade then a player." Sorry, I cant see how Tony. There is no player in the draft outside of Mario Williams you will help us out as much as Abe. There will be no player in the draft you will give us that type of impact on defense that Abe gives us. He is way more valuable to us if he is on the team. Plus what if we cant get a first round pick for him. Then there is no way a player we take in the second round will do what Abe does for us. No one. I would much rather have a three-time pro bowler who played in all 16 games last year than a guard or a center we draft in the round we trade Abe for. Its as simple as that. I want him on the team more than un-proven BACK-UP quaterbacks in league, like Ramsey and Schuab. I just think that he is more valuable to have on our team.
This is why Tony is right, as is other posters here.... Abe is set to recieve $8.3 Mil. If we were to keep him now, 1) He would most like get hurt and play the majority, but not all the season like he has recently, 2) He would benefit us this season, but then age becomes a factor and his playing deteriorates. Either way, his value is high right now. Mangini has already stated he doesnt want any "band-aids" or temporary solutions. Keeping Abe would fix a temporary solution, but then leave us in a bad spot 2-3 seasons out. Bottom line, Abe is NOT going to be worth $8.3 Mil in 2-3 seasons. His age and inguries, or just age alone will effect his productiveness, thus, dropping his stock tremendously. It's almost like playing the stock market. You can keep him, and eliviate your short term needs, then take a loss in a few years when he is done and can;t fit your needs, or sell now while the price is high and eliviate your long term needs and plug in your gaps and rebuild your team. Mangini has made too many changes for Abe to benefit from playing again this season. His impact is not going to bring us to a championship next season and his stock is high right now. Plus he already stated he's looking at other options and does not want to return... do you really want to keep a player that doesnt want to be here? That is why he's more valuable as a trade then a player.
i think it is a burned bridge at this point. We might as well trade him now while his stock his high.
"He would benefit us this season, but then age becomes a factor and his playing deteriorates." Abraham is 27 years old. I dont think his play is going to drop off any time soon. Look at Jason Taylor and Simeon Rice they are in their thirties and still play at a high level. So Abe still has plenty of years left. And his "value" really isnt that high if all the trade talks revolve around a second round pick or a un-proven quaterback, ie Rivers. How is Abe a band-aid. He is our best player on D. I see what your saying about the re-building thing but one thing is to rebuild no doubt we are doing that but that doesnt mean we have to get rid of our best young players. What sense does that make? When a team re-builds they let go old players who are making to much or not producing at the level they should be. Fabini, Mawae, Kendall, Legree, ect. Why get rid of a player who is producing, you can build around them, and is an impact player?
Psh man are you kidding me? He aint staying. He wants his money and we don't have it...case closed...ultimately...he'll be traded
Abe is NOT a band-aid player,and we just franchised him,again...............I wouldn't have,but there you go...........
Well said, Tony. It makes no sense to pay Abraham 8+ Mil., when we won't be competitive. I'd rather get some draft picks, and then we can atleast have more to work with in the rebuilding period. I love J-Abe, and have nothing against him, but it's in the better interest of both sides, IMO.
i dont know if i can accpet you opinion any more, afterall, you did suggest taking haloti ngata at 4 overall
Believe it or not, I don't think Abe is the best of defensive "free agents" like most others do...he's pretty good yeah, but barely a pro-bowler i'd say.. early 2nd round pick sounds fair....maybe throw in a 4th then ...that's about right to me
Yes, he's only 27 - but he's been injured enough for a career. He's not happy here. I don't want x amount of seasons of him not even reporting to training camp. Trade him now, Get as many draft picks as we can for him. Good luck to him and his new future team.
