I think we can all agree that Sam hasn't shown enough to be confident that he's a FQB. His rookie contract has a year left and his play hasn't warranted a big contract and picking up his 5th year option shouldn't be picked up. But there are reasons to not be angry if we miss out on Lawrence. If we get the 1st pick, this thread will likely become moot. 1. At least one FA OL and WR is signed to give both groups a boost for the present. 2. The first 1st round pick can be used on OT Sewell or WR Chase. 3. The second 1st round pick can be used on OL, WR, or TE. 4. Days 2 and 3 picks can be used on RB, CB, WR, ST and depth. 5. There will be good QB's coming out in future drafts and not just Arch Manning. 6. If Sam continues to display his biggest flaws, his replacement should have a good supporting cast to start his career. 7. It's possible that a new CS is able to fix Sam and allow him to flourish.
I think a key to your point is how do you see sam in 5 years? - Mahomes/Wilson - Stafford/Ryan/Goff - Dalton. If you see him as top tier potential - go for it. Would you be happy with Jared Goff as your QB? Sent from my SM-G610Y using Tapatalk
If he is worth what people are speculating then any GM who is rebuilding would be an incredible fool not to trade him. No draft pick is worth what they are forecasting. Its a coup. He is not the last good QB in the world.
Sensible post and likely spot on. The odds on the Jets getting Lawrence are likely a coin-flip at best and probably more like 25% at this point. If they add enough resources around Darnold they are likely to have a good idea by 2022 as to whether they should keep him or not. He's not at all guaranteed to be ridiculously expensive either. That would take him playing very well in 2021. Let's say the Jets manage 8-8 with Darnold and a new head coach next season. They do this by beefing on offense through the draft with maybe a few canny free agent acquistions. Darnold completes 61% of his passes for 7.2 yards an attempt and throws 22 TD's and 14 Int's in 2021. This would be a significant improvement over his current history. The Jet offense is 16th in the NFL and the team stabilizes and 8-8 is where they get to. Darnold would like a huge contract however there is no guarantee he will get one on the open market. In fact there is no guarantee he will get an offer to be anybody's starting QB. His best fit would probably be with a veteran team that is missing just a QB however none of the 2022 contenders are in that category. Crucially, none of the West Coast teams is looking for a QB. His landing spot if he jumps away from the Jets is likely to be in Atlanta or Tampa Bay. In Atlanta he will be following the franchises best QB as Matt Ryan finally retires at 37. In Tampa Bay? Well, he's replacing a guy named Brady, under whom the Bucs have just had their best 2 season run ever. Neither team looks like a strong contender in 2022 and the pressure on Darnold will be really heavy if he lands in either spot. So the Jets have three options with Darnold. They can offer him a mid-range deal to come back with some guarantees. Maybe $20M a year for 5 years with $35M guaranteed. They can transition tag him at $28M or so. There's no pick compensation for the tag, other than the 3rd rounder that losing a prime free agent has always brought. However the Jets can match whatever deal Darnold signs and avoid bidding against themselves for his services. They can let him go and take the 3rd rounder as they aggressively pursue other options in free agency and the draft. They probably don't want to franchise tag him outright because that is *very* expensive under the new CBA with the contracts that people like Mahomes and Watson have signed. The odds on this scenario happening are reasonably good at this point. The real question is whether or not Darnold can pull things together enough to make the Jets want to keep him. The Jets will have to support him well in 2021 to get there is my guess. At that point he may well want the certainty of playing for the Jets with some guaranteed money in the bank and the knowledge that the Jets have finally put a decent offense together around him. There will be nobody else in the NFL more vested in keeping him playing well, given that the Jets have seen how bad things can get if they don't provide him with the tools to succeed.
Ideal case - Gase goes we get Trevor Acceptable case - Gase goes we miss on Trevor Bad case - Gase stays we get Trevor End of the world - Gase stays we don’t get Trevor
I know this season sucks and we need stuff to talk about for now but I have a feeling this will sort itself out by the end of the year. I think it’s either Sam sacks up and takes us out of the Trevor sweepstakes or we’re taking him. I love Sam but Trevor type talent plus the cap ramifications makes it an easy decision. I think the absolute best case would be for Sam to win 2-3 games get pick 2-3 and be able to sell to a team that wants fields. Stay in the top 5-8 land chase and a another premium pick or 2 .
Na. At this point and time it's either Trevor Lawrence or failure especially after both NYG and ATL received their first W's. I'm a fan of FSU and I'm crazed over the ACC we've got teams like Clemson, FSU, Hurricanes, UNC and now Notre Dame etc and I've never loved a college QB as much as Trevor Lawrence. This kid is 6'6, plays the position to perfection, throws one of the best deep balls I've ever seen from a college QB, great decision maker, goes through all his reads, beautiful play action, almost broke an all time record for most consecutive passes without an INT and the icing on the cake for me is he's mobile and has speed (better runner than Mahomes was coming out) and on the verge of 3 National Championship Games. I absolutely love the kid. Darnold was an ESPN hype machine because of his age during his one Rose Bowl performance. Trevor Lawrence isn't hype he's real deal based off production. It's been since Joe Namath since we've had a franchise QB. You gotta keep swinging until you hit. Trevor Lawrence is worth an 0-16. Trading up for Sam hurt us. We had to give up I believe 3 2nd RD draft picks. This wouldn't be the case with Trevor. We'll not only have all of our 2nd and 3rds but also 3 more 1st round picks over the next two drafts along with A+ cap space to build around our young kid QB. Sam has Macc stink all over him. Trevor Lawrence will have Becton @ LT already in place.
And BTW everybody Joe N gives his blessing to swoop up TL (today's Post)!!! Thanks DWC..let's get this right Keep your eggs in one basket And Watch THat Basket Liking more and more of your Posts young man We must land TL !! Or it's Curtains on this Franchise...and I sincerely doubt if I will stick around if that disaster AG remains As well
I'm just a fan of FSU and the ACC. The greatest conference outside of the SEC. A storied Conference and the one time I bet against Trevor? He killed me. I was so confident Alabama would destroy the freshman. I bet $500 on Bama vs a friend of mine who's a die-hard Clemson fan here in the South. I made a promise to myself that I'd never bet against Trevor again. He destroyed them. He's the greatest ACC QB I've ever seen and so much more POLISHED than Watson coming out of Clemson. He's a can't miss. And now my Jets are in the lead to draft this freaking kid?!? I can't pump my breaks I want him in Green and White so bad. And unlike Sam he'll already have a Franchise LT in Becton in place for 10+ years.
I really hope we don't get the 1st overall pick so we don't make that mistake. we need to surround sam with talent
As much as I hated JD for trading away Adams I believe it's safe to say that the rebuilding process for our offense has already begun. Becton @ LT and Mims @ WR + another 4 first round picks over two years and A+ salary cap. We get lucky and land Trevor? JD just hit a pot of gold with major off-season assets already in place to build a 1st round offense around TL.
That's a lot of hoping and wishing that these players will pan out. Way too many rookies to try and coach up. #7 is the best hope.
The good thing is we can recycle the old Suck for Sam threads when Sam Howell comes out in 2022. By then he'll have regressed for two years in college from his amazing freshmen year and we'll be 5-11 and trade two firsts and two seconds to move up to get him.
"FootballOutsiders on Monday morning gave the Jets a 38.5 percent chance of getting the No. 1 pick, with Washington next best at 14.4 percent. And ESPN's FPI gave the Jets an even bigger chance, at 57.7 percent to pick first." This time it's real. As far as coin flip, 50% is a pretty freaking high chance. There is a real opportunity here to turn things around for next decade or more.
When you look at getting the #1 pick as we have to lose 11 games it seems not very doable, but if you look at it game by game, losing the next 11 games seems very doable. So let's hope like you said this is a moot thread come JANUARY.
I basically agree, but if Douglas doesn't draft a WR and/or sign a very good one in FA, then it would be a close second to Gase returning imo. If either happens, I'm done.
