Why did we ever trade Jonathan Vilma?

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  1. Poeman

    Poeman Well-Known Member

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    I know his knee injury brought some doubt back in 2008, but Vilma was a fantastic player, a rookie of the year, pro bowler for us, and team captain.

    I know David Harris had a good rookie year too...But does it really matter?

    We traded Vilma away for a conditional 4th round pick...A guy I wish was still leading the middle of this team's defense. Especially over Bart Scott
     
    #1 Poeman, Jan 8, 2012
  2. ace_o_spades

    ace_o_spades New Member

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    Is this a rhetorical question or do you not remember that Eric Mangini fucking sucked?
     
    #2 ace_o_spades, Jan 8, 2012
  3. brothermoose

    brothermoose Well-Known Member

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    Because he's a 4-3 LB that doesn't fit in a 3-4 scheme.

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    p.s. we should have gotten a better pick, but the Saints played dirty pool and f'd us on a technicality.
     
    #3 brothermoose, Jan 8, 2012
  4. Br4d

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    Vilma got traded because he wasn't big enough to work in the middle of a 3-4. The Jets thought he would wear down and so they went and got stronger guys to play the position.

    In retrospect Vilma and Harris probably would have been great in the middle of Rex's 3-4 because Harris would have played Scott's role better than it is being played and Vilma could cover in the middle of the field when the Jets needed that.
     
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  5. laxin

    laxin Active Member

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    Mangini fuck up + 4-3 player.
     
    #5 laxin, Jan 8, 2012
  6. CurbYourEnthusiasm

    CurbYourEnthusiasm Well-Known Member

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    this...instead of playing to our current D's strengths, Mangini wanted to implement his own personnel/scheme, so Vilma had an expiration date as he was too small to play ILB in 3-4.
     
    #6 CurbYourEnthusiasm, Jan 8, 2012
  7. JoeWillie130

    JoeWillie130 Well-Known Member

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    Vilma is a good starter in this league but he is not a great.
     
    #7 JoeWillie130, Jan 8, 2012
  8. sg3

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    what's next?

    a "why did we ever trade Verlon Biggs?? thread from the 20/20 hindsight Jet "fans"
     
    #8 sg3, Jan 8, 2012
  9. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    Mangini was running the classic 34 that required ILB's to be able to take on and shed blockers and still make a play. Vilma could not handle those duties and was not a good fit or our defense. A classic case of a coach trying to force players to work in his system instead of coaching to their strengths.
     
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  10. Poeman

    Poeman Well-Known Member

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    Who the hell are you? Take a hike a bitch about jets fans somewhere else
     
    #10 Poeman, Jan 8, 2012
  11. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    Didn't fit the 3-4 defense but that was already pointed out.
     
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  12. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    my biggest pet peeve with mangini was trading vilma and out right refusing to bend his sytem at all for the talent on the roster.

    then tomlin was hired in pitsburgh and kept the 3-4 even though he was a 4-3 guy.

    it still pisses me off
     
    #12 FJF, Jan 8, 2012
  13. ConcordeChops

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    Who did we get with the fourth round pick?
     
    #13 ConcordeChops, Jan 8, 2012
  14. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    Key difference being the Pittsburgh D was actually good prior to Tomlin's arrival.... Super Bowl good.

    Mangini took over a mess and deserved time to implement the scheme he wanted. Vilma is better in coverage than D Harris but that's about it.
     
    #14 Jake, Jan 8, 2012
  15. SienaSaints

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    Dwight Lowery
     
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  16. ConcordeChops

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    Thanks. Not the best trade ever.
     
    #16 ConcordeChops, Jan 8, 2012
  17. sg3

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    nice language, genius
     
    #17 sg3, Jan 8, 2012
  18. Will-I-Am-Not

    Will-I-Am-Not Well-Known Member

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    The Vilma trade wasn't the best, but it really hasn't hurt us that much, and certainly isn't a significant part of our current problems.
     
    #18 Will-I-Am-Not, Jan 8, 2012
  19. Don

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    Was this question really asked? Seriously?
     
    #19 Don, Jan 8, 2012
  20. Red Menace

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    It's like Mcelroy all over again, junior guy calling out the senior guy's..:eek:hmy:
     
    #20 Red Menace, Jan 8, 2012
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