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  1. gafher

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    Jets faced with 4-man QB controversy

    By RICH CIMINI
    DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

    After missing nearly all of last season with a shoulder injury, Chad Pennington enters camp as just one of four QBs battling for the starting job.
    It has been 16 years since the Jets opened training camp with a genuine, mano a mano quarterback competition. Ken O'Brien versus Tony Eason in the summer of 1990 didn't polarize the locker room or the sports populace of New York, but it did begin with a fair amount of suspense.

    Just like the one that is about to commence at Hofstra - except this time, you're going to need a couple more "manos" to complete the fight card.

    It's incumbent Chad Pennington versus Patrick Ramsey versus Brooks Bollinger versus rookie Kellen Clemens, a four-way battle that may be unprecedented in recent NFL history.

    "It's an interesting dynamic," says first-year general manager Mike Tannenbaum, insisting, "All four guys have a legitimate chance to start."

    That seems like a stretch - does anybody believe Bollinger has a shot? - but the Jets continue to sell it as a wide-open race, a wholesome competition that will bring out the best in each player.

    But some outsiders are calling it a mess, an overcrowded situation that will stunt the growth of the entire offense. Indeed, if two's company and three's a crowd, what do you call four? It could feel like Penn Station at rush hour.

    Clearly, this is no ordinary quarterback battle. Even though rookie coach Eric Mangini has said he will line them up, let them play and pick the best guy, it's not that simple.

    Not with the uncertainty surrounding Pennington, whose daily stock could fluctuate more than the Dow Jones because of a twice-repaired throwing shoulder.

    Not with the tantalizing option of Clemens, who is trying to convince the organization that the future is now.

    The fun starts Friday, Day 1 of Mangini's inaugural training camp. When he names a starter is anybody's guess.

    "We're not going to rush this decision," says offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer. "However long it takes to get a clear-cut guy is what we're going to do."

    The Daily News questioned five impartial observers on the Jets' quarterback conundrum - two opposing coaches, two scouts and one TV analyst - and the consensus was that Pennington will emerge as the starter, edging Ramsey. But the endorsement wasn't overwhelming, with most believing it's only a matter of time before Clemens, a second-round pick, surpasses both veterans.

    "I think it's going to be a pretty tight competition," says one scout, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "Pennington has the reputation, Ramsey doesn't, but I don't think their skills and abilities are dramatically different. It's going to be closer than people think."

    One coach, suspecting that Clemens could be in the not-too-distant plans, said: "When you draft a kid that high, it usually means you want to play him pretty soon."

    Logic says Mangini must pare the field to two or three, the sooner the better, to give each quarterback a chance to get acclimated to the new system and develop chemistry with the starters. If Mangini lets it drag out for the entire preseason, it will deprive the eventual starter of valuable practice reps, according to an opposing coach.

    No matter what happens, it's "not going to be pretty," quarterback-turned-analyst Boomer Esiason says.

    "The Jets are completely in a rebuilding mode, and whoever the quarterback is will be a sacrificial lamb," adds Esiason, who predicts a Pennington victory.

    Clearly, Pennington is the most accomplished quarterback of the four, having won 22 of 37 career starts. Scouts say Pennington is more accurate than Ramsey, a better decision-maker and a better field general.

    In fact, Pennington's career touchdown/drive ratio is 21%, ahead of Ramsey's (17%) and Bollinger's (11%). But Pennington has two huge factors working against him: He can't stay healthy (22 games missed in the last three seasons) and his arm strength can't compare to that of Ramsey's.

    Though they never will admit it publicly, the Jets aren't sure if Pennington's arm will ever be the same, a concern born from two shoulder operations in an eight-month span. The only reason they kept Bollinger, a person close to the situation says, is because they want veteran insurance in case Pennington breaks down again.

    Former Packers quarterback Don Majkowski can relate. He made the Pro Bowl in 1989, then tore his rotator cuff and was never the same.

    "I lost my quick-twitch muscle fiber, my ability to throw the ball quickly," he says. "I used to have a quick, compact release. After the surgery, I looked like a javelin thrower, with an elongated release.

    "I wish Chad a lot of luck," adds Majkowski. "I loved him as a quarterback, his intangibles. But, from my experience, it was difficult and frustrating to come back. You know what you once were, and you can't get back to that."

    Soon after Pennington's season-ending injury last September, the Jets began to research Ramsey, a former first-round pick whom they felt never got a fair shake in Washington. He went 10-14 as a starter, getting benched by two coaches, Steve Spurrier and Joe Gibbs. In March, the Jets got him for a sixth-round pick.

    Ramsey has the arm strength to succeed in any system, but he tends to hold the ball too long and gets happy feet in the pocket, scouts say. He disappointed in last month's minicamp, but still sees this as a chance to resurrect his once-promising career.

    The wild card is Clemens, who has endeared himself to the new staff with his gym-rat approach and intriguing skill set. The former Oregon standout has a better-than-advertised arm and a quick release, but his chances of winning the job appear remote.

    "Kellen Clemens isn't ready to be the man just yet," Esiason says. "He's a rookie. Nobody wants to play with a rookie. You don't win."

    Chances are, Pennington will prevail. If so, he shouldn't get too comfortable in the job. Mangini knows his weaknesses - his New England defense dominated Pennington in recent years - and he probably won't hesitate to pull him. Mangini's mentor, Bill Belichick, did it that way in 2001 with the Tom Brady-for-Drew Bledsoe change.

    If nothing else, the Jets and their fans should prepare for a hectic summer.

    5 Questions:

    Here are five questions the Daily News' Rich Cimini has for the Jets in 2006:

    1. Boot camp or leisure time?

    Eric Mangini's itinerary includes only seven days of double sessions, five fewer than Herm Edwards' total from last summer.

    2. Is Curtis Martin being phased out?

    That's the plan. But, even at 33, Martin still is the best back on the team. Let us be the first to start the Adrian Peterson draft rumors.

    3. Will the defense make a smooth transition to the 3-4 scheme?

    Not likely. There's no experienced nose tackle and others, including LB Jonathan Vilma, are better suited to the 4-3.

    4. How long will it take the revamped offensive line to jell?

    LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson and C Nick Mangold, both rookies, are expected to start. Hello, growing pains. No matter what happens, the line "can't be as bad as last year," one competing coach cracked.

    5. Which departed player will be the toughest to replace?

    John Abraham, hands down. The division breathed a sigh of relief when he was traded to the Falcons. Mangini will have to cook up some clever schemes to manufacture a pass rush.

    Originally published on July 23, 2006

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/437223p-368422c.html
     
  2. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    This "QB conroversy" is going to geta nnoying, even though we all know Clemens has no shot to start and unless 1 of the other 3 get hurt that brooks is gone they'll keep feeding us the company line about it being wide open.
     
  3. JetsIn2004

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    Actually, I bet the Jets keep 4 QBs, at least early, as insurance for Pennington. Only 45+1 of 53 dress anyway, so it's not too hard to keep 4 QBs.
     
  4. Hot Rod

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    I too think we'll keep 4.
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Even if that is true Brooks and Clemens have no shot to start opening day barring injuries. if we are bad I can see Clemens starting later in the year but I will be shocked if Chad is healthy(as healthy as he can be) and not starting in Tennessee.
     
  6. vilmatic

    vilmatic Active Member

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    cimini is such an idiot. In fact the entire staff of the paper should be ashamed. Mano a mano means hand to hand. So unless they are suggesting that a 4-way QB battle is hand to hand to hand to hand combat they are idiots.
     
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    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    I agree junc. The "qb controversy" talk is already nauseating. I think its a two-horse race at this point for the starting position
     
  8. Martin&theJETS

    Martin&theJETS Well-Known Member

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    use to be leaning towards ramsey but now i have a lot of faith in CP for some reason now i am learning toward him being the jets starting QB.
     
  9. parafly

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    Chances are that Pennington will be the starter in Week 1. How long he holds up is anyone's guess.

    With all the inexperience on the OL and coaching staff, it would be in the team's best interest to start a veteran who has led the team before and knows the players the best.
     
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    hoobash Well-Known Member

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    We dont have a "qb controvesy" that happens when you have a starter and a backup who should be a starter. We got 3 guys competeing for a job and it prob more like 2. Brooks days are number unless we carry 4 guys
     
  11. SigmaXJet

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    I wish they would start saying its a four man competition, its going to be between ramsey and chad
     
  12. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Who would have thunk that Cimini would use the dreaded 'quarterback controversy' term to dig for readers in the offseason? CERTAINLY NOT ME![/SARCASM]

    It's not a QB controversy until we near the beginning of the season and there's still no clear-cut starter. The rest of this is a second-rate beat writer playing peacock.
     
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    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Well what were you expecting? You allready added another year onto your SBless counter anyway. Stop beating the dead horse.

    I'll be getting a new authentic jersey soon.
     
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    dwalsh 2006 TGG.com Rookie of the Year Award Winner

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    They're arent the first to start that rumor, I've been hearing it since draft day
     
  16. NYJalltheway

    NYJalltheway Well-Known Member

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    He talked like Kellen is a horrible QB.

    IMO we should keep Pennington as our starter with Clemens challenging and then idc about Brooks and Ramsey.
     
  17. Jtuds

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    Actually, Mike Nugent is #1
     
  18. MawaesDaMan

    MawaesDaMan New Member

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    Well done. good stuff.



    I agree that we will be tired of the QB controversy, but I think Ramsey should be the starter week one, unless Chad really wows everyone at camp. I think he can take more of a beating, which will happen early as the O-Line learns to play together, and he can overcompensate for mistakes with his arm. We just need to have our WRs fight for the ball more than the DBs. LC is good at that and Jmac should be able to handle it. Not to make catches, but to not allow pics. Unfortunately I could see us using 3 or 4 QBs this year, Ramsey for a few weeks, takes a beating, doesnt win much. Chad gets some extra rest/rehab/work, steps in for a few games until he gets hurt, then Brooks or straight to Clemens. This seems very darksiderish to me, but I could see it. I hope it doesnt happen, but we have seen the likes of it before.
     
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    I don't really this as a controversy. It's 4 quaterbacks competing for the starting spot. Whoever gives the team the best chance to win games will play regardless of age and contract.
     
  20. Green Guy

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    It's not a controversy - since no one is really at the forefront. If you had 2 good options, you might have a controversy. Right now the Jets' QB options ALL have question marks.

    You cannot keep 4 quarterbacks!

    I keep liking the good things I hear about Kellen Clemens, and look forward to seeing him in camp and the preseason.
     

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