Going through trying to make my newest first round mock/Jets mock, I keep noticing Richardson falling to the Jets. While this isnt the most likeliest of things, Its certainly very possible. Lets break down a scenario here: The Jets are at #16, Upshaw is gone as well as Ingram, and Richardson has fallen to our pick. We get two trade offers from two AFC North teams who are desperate for a RB, both of which RBs are lost in FA (Hillis and Benson) The Bengals offer #17 and #53 (Trade value chart= 1320) and The Browns offer #22 and #37 (Trade value chart= 1310) Why I think these trades could be offered: The Bengals may feel as though theyre a RB away from winning the AFC North, with an extra first rounder their second becomes more expendable, thus their GM is willing move up a spot to get Richardson since they may feel the Jets could take him. Now you could say hey why cant they just move to the Eagles spot? I think Kuechly will be there at #15 for the Eagles, and with that LB spot being the weakest position for the Eagles they might not want to miss out on a possible long time starter with Kuechly. As for the Browns, they were ranked 28th last season in rushing and in order to get some hype into there organization for a change they feel a RB like Richardson could really change there Offense as a whole and set themselves up to compete in the future. Thus, they offer the Jets what they feel is a great deal to not take Richardson and trade with them. Now it comes down to this , If you were the GM of the Jets do you take Richardson? , Take the Bengals offer? , or Take the Browns offer?
Need moar info. What do pics 1-15 look like. Is floyd gone? Decastro? Glenn? Is there a guy who will be there at 17 I think is a stud or am I more than willing to wait it out to 22?
Well I definitely trade down, but the question is who is available @ 17 If theres one guy who is a must grab player @ 17 then you trade down to 17, otherwise you go to 22, then we can draft a pass rusher/safety/ol all in the first 2 rounds and walk away pretty damn happy Hell id even be open to taking Floyd @ 17 if we traded down The thought of the Bengals trading an early second to move up 1 spot is pretty damn amusing tho
God damn you Harpua, I wanted to wait on my first rounder for my mock, but Ill throw one out there really quick for ya. (Not my mock but just a quick thought process to go along with the thread) 1) Indianapolis Colts - Andrew Luck 2) Washington Redskins (TRADE) - Robert Griffin III 3) Minnesota Vikings - Matt Kalil 4) Cleveland Browns - Justin Blackmon 5) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Mo Claiborne 6) St. Louis Rams - Riley Reiff 7) Jacksonville Jaguars - Michael Floyd 8) Miami Dolphins - Quinton Coples 9) Carolina Panthers - Michael Brockers 10) Buffalo Bills - Courtney Upshaw 11) Kansas City Chiefs - David DeCastro 12) Seattle Seahawks - Melvin Ingram 13) Arizona Cardinals - Mike Adams 14) Dallas Cowboys - Dre Kirkpatrick 15) Philadelphia Eagles - Luke Kuechly 16) New York Jets - ????
Gordy Glenn @ 17 and a free second, not too shabby. Personally id go down to 22 and id be more than happy with Glenn/Merciless/Barron depending on which of the 3 is available, then just grab whatever need we didnt fill with our early second picks. Hell we could even trade up (now that we have 2 2nds) if needed and get both Glenn/Merciless in the 1st Although I think we could extort a little more out of the Browns. I mean if a divisional rival of theirs is offering us greater value to move down only one slot, they at least gotta offer us 22, 37, and maybe a 3rd round swap
Personally, Im not sure what Id do. Id like to move back one spot and Get Jon Martin while getting another second but at the same time we could always move to #22 and then use #37 and #47 to move back into the first. BUT Trent could be a once in a lifetime talent at RB and with this ground and pound team he'd certainly help out this offense as well as Sanchez. I just cant decide.
Glad to be of service good sir! :grin: Ok, an interesting name is now poping up to me right away. Jonathan Martin is still on the board. At this point, I take the Cincy deal and then start working the phones to move back again with a OT needy team. Indy at the top of round two comes to mind right away. "Hey guys you just drafted luck, how about we get your second for Martin so he last longer than a year with your shit Oline!" A team like The Rams, Cheifs or Seahawks could all also be interested to moveing back up to get a Starting caliber OT. Pick 17 is worth 950. This should net us Indys 2nd and 4th this year, and thier 2nd next year. This leaves us with 3 seconds and an extra 4th, wit htwo second rounders next season. We can now freely address OLB, S, and WR all in round two this season, with an extra 4ht for detph and a 2nd next year to add extra ammo for that draft. If no team Bites I may very well Draft Glenn or possibly Martin for RT and move forward from there with my extra second to be able to address OLB and S in the next round. I really want to revist this senario after FA though. Its a damn interesting one.
Well the one HUGE upside with trading down is that this team needs depth. And our team is in a poor salary cap spot, so getting depth via FA is going to be incredibly difficult. However if we traded down instead of drafting him, youre talking the ability to get 3 solid contributors/depth for the next 4, possibly 5 years for absolute minimal contracts. Which in turn significantly helps out our cap situation, which could be infinitely important if Sanchez doesnt have a big year. And considering that we have nobody @ OLB, nobody @ safety, and 2 very old guys on the OL (Moore/Hunter) all of those things NEED to be addressed in the near future. Without the cap space, that wont be easy to do.
This was the first thing to pop into my mind in the case that Floyd was on the board (trade down to 17, then trade 17 to a team desperate for a wr ie ravens/49ers). But being realisitic, trading down, and then trading down again is just incredibly rare, and with our track record its something thats truly truly unlikely. Dont get me wrong I think if we could trade down twice, and get Barron with our first pick that we make away like bandits, but theres a reason that nfl teams dont do this, and its the complete opposite of our historical draft philosophy so I strongly doubt it happens.
I'd take the Browns' offer. With the players that are gone and the teams drafting between the picks, we should still be able to grab one of the following at 22: Merciless, Perry, Martin, Glenn, or Jeffrey at 22 and another good prospect at 37 depending on where we went Rd 1. BTW JTJ, Adams is gone in your scenario, unless you meant to put J Martin there.
Thanks for making me work even more... hahaha. Indy would certain be interesting, gathering a bunch of picks like that in this draft could draw some big potential for this draft class turnout, but we may not even have to go that far, which is what I prefer. We could possibly trade back with the Steelers, who need OLine badly, and stay in the first while getting those extra picks or pick (2nd). I wouldnt mind trading back far if there are players that we feel may still be there, for example, trade back and pick up Perry or Jeffery at #24.
That is true, the only concerning thing is after about mid way through the 2nd the talent level falls off a sizeable amount. It really comes down to, do you draft one excellent player or 2 or 3 good players. Its a tough choice.
Truthfully id have no problem if we drafted two safeties in the first 2 rounds (assuming we traded down). The need is there, and if the right guys are available @ the right pick (ie Barron) then by all means let it fly. Plus its still possible to get plenty of the 2nd tier OLBs. Hell if we really wanted to screw around with things, I think its more than possible to replace Pouha if he commands too much $$$. Its also fortunate for us, that none of our draft picks in the 2nd would be in the bottom half of the second round.
I would take Richardson, but trading down with one of those two teams is extremely enticing. Richardson is the player I want most out of this draft class. He would make an impact on this offense that no one else in this draft could do (maybe aside from blackmon). But out of the two trade down scenarios, I would probably rather the browns option. That would allow us to possibly get Mercilus, Perry or Jeffery and another high quality prospect that might have dropped out of the 1st.
I dont think id draft two safeties in this draft, especially having them most likely start. That would mean someone like Barron and Smith, Im not interested in that. Id still want to resign Pouha, I dont think any DT around the 2nd would be as good as he is. I just not sure if Id take a group of good to decent players over Richardson but its hard to tell because its all hindsight. If we ended up with something like trading back with the Browns, and using #22, #37, and #47 to draft Perry, Sanu, and Osemele I would definitely take that but again, it really depends who is there and who isnt.
take #22 and #37. Guys like Glenn, Wright, Mercilus and Perry will all definitely be there, and Floyd, DeCastro and Barron could be available.
DeCastro and Floyd wont be there. They probably wont even be available at 16. And saying Mercilus, Perry and Glenn will definitely be there is inaccurate. They might be there, but they could easily not be. Anyway you spin it, trading down and hoping for a few players to drop is risky.
