According to PFT there is still some negotiating between the Players Union and the League and the NFLPA recently made another offer to extend the current agreement with a cap into 2010. It was rejected by the league and apparently they have until midnight of March 5th to still come to an agreement So my question is, which would be better for the Jets? I assume that a regular capped year would be better since the final 8 rules would then no longer apply and the Jets could do whatever they wanted in free agency (although restricted by the cap). However they would probably have to pony up more money for Leon Washington since he would be an UFA. Here's the PFT article: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/26/league-rejects-union-offer-to-keep-cap-in-place/
Whatever makes it so those final 8 rules go away is best. Whoever came up with that should be shot in the face with a nail gun.
It's a tough call. If you think the Jets have a very narrow window to compete with the current team and then will be rebuilding around a core of very good players then you probably want a capped year and the ability to sign as much talent as possible next year to take advantage of the window. On the other hand, if you think the Jets are still in the building phase of creating a championship caliber team then you might prefer that they not be able to sign more mid to late career free agents and instead be forced to really work through the draft this season. I think the status of Leon Washington and Brad Smith is kind of small potatoes compared to the overall question of which of the two scenarios above applies.
Remember, if there is a cap, Leon, Brad Smith, and Braylon are all UFAs and will likely cost much much more than their tenders. Pending some cuts and restructures though we should be able to afford retaining them.
bingo! we need this season to be uncapped, yes this means no major additions via FA, but we really need to keep our own guys. Particularly Braylon because we gave up a shit ton for him if we were to let him walk after only 15 games or so
Now that's a new one, "shit ton". :grin: I heard what you meant and agree that we need to keep our team together as much as possible. Still, I'd like to see the players and the NFL come to terms.
your post would be the centerpiece of the yin and yang of the topic of this thread. That's the good, the bad is that the Jets couldn't go after a guy like Dunta Robinson and use what picks they have in the draft to fill the other holes. Its a give and take situation. But the argument can be made that the team can find another Brad Smith and Leon Washington. They are great team guys, but they aren't irreplaceable.
Oh i want to see them come to an agreement as well, I just want the agreement to be made on March 6th.
Agreed. The Chargers left Sproles untendered. Would you want a healthy Sproles or an uncertain Washington? I understand the rules this is hypothetical.
I don't think it's that tough a call at all. We definitely want an uncapped year. It's a big part of the plan. It's why we traded for Braylon Edwards, it's part or what allows us to keep several huge contracts like Faneca, Woody, Ellis and Thomas for another year. In 2011, if a cap comes back, most of those guys are gone.
We can get rid of the deadweight that is gholston with no cap implications. We can trade rhodes and his massive contract with no cap implications. Uncapped year ftw
We won't escape the cap implications. The only question is how it would be spread out. Either it keeps getting split evenly until his original contract is set to expire (2012), or more likely it accelerates when/if the cap is back. So that means we'd have a huge cap hit, probably, in 2011. He;s 'only' making $2 mill per season for the next three years, so cutting him might not be worth it.
exactly.. even though there is an uncapped year.. the cap is not gone forever.. and to those that think that will happen.. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.. Thats why there will be a lockout in 2011 if there is no new CBA.. so to spend stupidly and "take advantage" of the uncapped year is only good short-term.. We really gain nothing from releasing him.. maybe if it played some role in the final 4 rule.. but im pretty sure it doesn't.. only if he was an UFA.. and since thats not the case.. its pointless..
cap hits are not accelerated under no-cap era. deadweight that is Ghost is there to stay, I'm afraid to tell you.
We need this uncapped year to re-sign our star player and not lose some important ones like Leon and Edwards. We would have NO CAP SPACE to sign decent UFAs so we definitely have to root for this year being uncapped.
Is that set in stone or is it just speculation because I could have sworn somebody posted something that said the opposite ie when (if) the cap comes back past cap hits wont count towards the new cap
I believe that any team cutting a player next year under a no-cap scenario will effectively negate all bonus proration that would otherwise occur under a reimposed cap in 2011 or later. It is a free opportunity to purge your cap. The exception to this would be if the new CBA, agreed to between the owners and the players, explicitly included a salary cap that took former contracts into account and included bonus money paid in the past against future caps. My gut tells me that the owners alone could not find a way to agree among themselves on this issue and that the players certainly would not be inclined to hep them out given that they want the maximum amount of cap space each year for new money. One good harbinger of whether or not this is likely to occur would be to watch the number of teams taking advantage of the opportunity to cut dead weight. If a lot of teams do this then it is very unlikely that they will agree to a monstrous cap hit on themselves right off the bat in 2011.
Nothing is set in stone. That's the problem. Nobody knows how things are going to work out yet. But this is what I read from people who study this more than I do.
