I think this is a good question. He is only playing on a one year deal. The Jets don't have much to work with on offense, which may hurt Chad's ability. The Jets drafted Kellen Clemens in the 2nd round this year. By contract offer, I mean to be the starter for the next few years. You can't really expect him to have an over 100 QB rating with this offense. You can't really expect him to make the playoffs with this young group. I think it is a tough situation for old CP. So what do you guys think it will take?
Penny doesn't have any all-stars to hurl the rock to, but it seems like he's got a deep group surrounding him and there will be options galore... 4 running backs (houston, blaylock, washington, askew), 5 receivers (cotchery, coles, mccareins, smith, dwight), 3 tight ends (jolley, baker, dreessen)... with that many targets, if the Jets offensive gameplanners are creative, they could probably find multiple ways to hurt other teams. The biggest problem we saw under Herm/Hackett was a complete and utter lack of imagination... they handed out a script, and that was what was to be run... I have a Mangini will be much more imaginative and utilize all of his players, rather than one running back. If the Jets offense can be creative and the offensive line holds up, then Penny has a good shot at surprising a hell of a lot of people this year, as well as keeping his spot with the Jets.
change his name to Kellen Clemens:up: sadly i believe that, but if we win 8 games and penny starts in 16 of them hes worth another yr. no way he ever gets a long term contract in NY. having two shoulder surgeries isnt what teams are looking to invest in. if he makes it this yr he'll be playing on a yr to yr basis, and thats even if he stays healthy. I want it to happen but we'll see.
Pennington sat on the bench for 2000,2001,and 5 games in 2002. Let Clemens do the same if Pennington is productive.
Are you sure that Chad is "only playing on a one year deal"? They restructured his money this year, but I have never heard that they touched any other portions of the contract (including length). I think will be under contract with us after this year, and depending on how he plays we will either restructure again, cut him or let it ride status quo. I could be wrong about this, but I can't quickly find any proof either way....
I hope you are right and I misunderstood. :beer: Pennington signed a seven-year, $64.2 million extension on September 1, 2004. After two shoulder surgeries, the club restructured the deal to be worth only $3 million guaranteed for the 2006 season, with $6 million in incentives, according to ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli. He is due a $2 million roster bonus in March of 2007, according to the New York Daily News. I guess that will be the time the Jets will choose to give him the 2 million or cut him.
Pennington already has a contract. It is not a one year deal. He restructured his contract so that the impact on the salary cap this year is not as great as it would have been, and the full value of his contract THIS year is much more incentive based. The renegotiation didn't really do much for the contract after this year, as far as I know, perhaps the cap guru JI2004 can elaborate. It is my understanding that there is going to be similar issues with Chad's contract next year, as there were this year. He still has another 3 or 4 years left on this contract I believe, maybe more. To say it is a one year deal is inaccurate. But if he performs well this year, I wouldn't be surprised if he starts next year, to give Clemens another year to learn. After next year, it is definitely going to be Clemens either way, IMO at least.
Well, you make mistakes and you learn. This is good news to me. Thanks guys. I don't know why I thought when he restructured, the length of his contract changed too.
I thought the deal was redone and it was essentially a 2 year deal....but I could be wrong. Kellen is the heir apparent. With that in mind Chad would have to make the playoffs, stay healthy and clearly show he is the better qb next year in camp to be our qb for 2007. Even then I think his deals will be structured just in case he ever gets hurt again, so the cap hit would be minimal if he hurts something else. He will be on a short leash, and that is the main reason he needs to stay healthy for a 2 years and be productive the entire time if he stands any chance to being our qb for the next 5 years. Summary:Anything short of an AFC title game OR a Pro-bowl Drew Brees type season basically puts him under the gun next season.
he would need to be productive this season and stay healthy. I think he can put up some good numbers but if the front office doesn't think he can survive a whole season hes likely gone.
Or maybe sit out the first 3-4 years of last season to fully heal. On a serious note though, I think Chad has to be the type of player he was in early 2004 before his first injury. He has to be efficient and lead the Jets to at least 7-8 wins. If they show no improvement he is gone obviously.
If Pennington starts to look like the same guy he was in 2002, then well see Kellen Clemens traded within a few years. They tied Pennington up for the long term when they gave him that contract. If he manages to pull out of this injury slump thing, then theres no reason to move on to the post-Pennington era. I was making the point around draft time that the reason we should do something like take Clemens or Croyle rather than Leinart, is that a second or third round pick is tradable. Pennington is not tradable, and Leinart or Cutler or Young with a top five draft pick deal, would also not be tradable. Clemens is very, very tradable, and with everything people are saying about him, in a year or two, if Pennington is back to being a top level performer, Clemens is going to be a hot commodity. This is the next Matt Schaub situation in the making, you heard it here first.
Not being a Chad guy, it would be easy just to dog him out here however, I think the answer is a simple one.... Chad has to not only stay healthy, but he'll have to show he still has what it takes to run an offense efficiently. That means being able to run his 3rd offense in 3 years and put points on the board. I one of those that happens to think Hackett's offense was the best one suited to Chad's strengths boring as that may be. Shott's offense? Who knows the answer. Chad is facing so many questions and doubts this season that unless he has a career year, even better than '02, he's on his way to being to being Alex VanPelt..
If learning a new offense were the only issue, I would easily say Chad is the man. I have little doubt in his ability to lead the offense, only in whether he can remain healthy for long stretches of time. As for the type of offense he is in and whether he's suited to it, it is still the coaches jobs to know the limitations and strengths of the players and institute systems and plays that cater to that. Doing otherwise just sets everyone up for failure. That is one of the things Parcells and Belichick have been good at, and hopefully Mangini took that and put it in his How to Coach notebook.
It is. Why are you "glad" that he is signed past next year, 2K06? Are you happy to have a weak-armed QB on your team, presumably starting? Especially one who can't stay healthy? Are you so excited to be paying a huge contract to this quarterback who has had TWO, count 'em TWO, rotator cuff surgeries in the last two years? Are you happy to have a guy who, besides one partial season, has been an extremely mediocre quarterback? Is it really that good of a situation for the Jets, to be paying this guy a crap load of money, a lot of it being guaranteed (excluding this year), who is so mediocre, so injury prone?
