I'm sick to death of this season already. I was like everyone else on this board after our great start. Our D is missing Jenks big time and it worries me that if he comes back next year he is fragile. How can we compete with the elite if we rely so much on big Jenks? My real problem is with our O line. What the f*** happened to our early start where the kid had a bit of time to make some kind of reads? Sanchez is as nervous as a rapist back there. He is expecting to get clobbered at any time and this is contributing to his crazy throws into traffic. I'm afraid guys I have real reservations about this O line and I'm not sure we have any room in the draft to address this.
The pocket was there for the most part yesterday. It did collapse a few times, but they sent pretty much the entire team most times. TJ averaged 4.9 yards per carry, so overall the O-line was better then average. The time of possession was 40 minutes to 20, we are a running team and we could've run on them all day if they didn't jump out to that lead. I think all will be fine with the o-line, we do need to build some depth though.
The oline has not been the main issue, yes a few breakdowns but Sanchez had time. The running game was pretty good, but hard to keep running when you are down by 24 points.
I keep on saying Faneca can be as much an asset as you want in the running game but he's a rookie QB nightmare at the blindside guard position.
I Dont see much of anything wrong with our O-Line, They cut down tremendously on the penalties and they have been the best rushing o-line in the league. Pass protection has been solid aswell.
There is problems w/ the O-Line when Faneca gets beat badly at least once a week and D'Brick is getting beat by speed rushers although his overall play is still pretty good. Faneca right now is the the obvious sore spot on the line.
For me the O line struggles like hell when it really matters. on the 3rd downs, and specifically med/long plays. It seems to rattle Sanchez and he feels the pocket isn't going to protect him , so he hot foots it and into even more trouble
Play calling is issue , this o line is good to very good. We get into 3rd and long situations which allow teams to tee off on Sanchez. To blame the olne is riidiculous
The OL is probably the least of the team's worries right now. Having said that I have seen Moore miss some plays a bit lately, and that is worrisome. He was always the starter who seemed to have the least raw talent, and makes his share of penalties. But he started playing pretty well in 07 and last year. Remember the play yesterday when Wilfork got into the backfield and dumped I can't remember whether it was Jones or Green? I replayed it since I couldn't understand why he got by Mangold so fast. Turned out Mangold was taking on someone else by himself, and Moore was late getting Wilfork. I know it's just one play, but...
The offensive line is a HUGE problem right now. Yea, we can run the ball - a lot of the yardage have come off of a long runs by TJ. I'll give the offensive line credit for opening holes on those plays, but have you not seen how terrible TJ's YPC when he runs it on first down? Little to no push at all by the offense line. Alan Faneca and Brandon Moore have been very mediocre pass blockers this season. Nick Mangold is the only dominant player on our offense line. Ferguson looks very good at times, but he also gets beat a lot. Woody is god awful. If you guys don't think an aging offensive line is a problem, then you don't know football. The front office has to think about rebuilding the line right away.
I'm with you Mr E. Also the point I was making above was that MS confidence to stay protected just isn't there anymore, for whatever reason, his or the O lines. At times he just runs for his life when there just is no need to, and then when he should scramble, goes foetal. Once again we will have slim pickings in the draft and have major glaring holes in the O and D lines. Question is, can we fill all our needs to stop the rot?
The offensive line in a nutshell: LT - D'Brickashaw Ferguson Has not lived up to his top 4 selection in 2006 and given the fact that this is his 4th season in the NFL he probably won't. A very serviceable LT who 75% of the teams in the NFL would be very happy to have right now. LG - Alan Faneca 33 going on 36 at this point. Solid in the run game but nowhere near as strong as he was 2 years ago. The Jets do not run left very often and probably not often enough to make Faneca an overall positive at this point. Weak pass protector who has gotten Sanchez flattened a couple of times on bull rushes inside of him. He cannot maintain his blocks when he does establish them, and Sanchez is usually tackled by his man when he gets panicy and starts moving around the pocket. Must be replaced in the short term because he's not really even an average NFL LG at this point. C - Nick Mangold Excellent C, who shows the limitations of the position. Has minor problems on both sides of him and when he goes to one side to help out he opens up issues on the other side. Run blocks very well and the Jets run between the guards as well as any team in the NFL right now. Pass protection is very good as well and that helps hold things together with both of his guards being subpar in that area. RG - Brandon Moore Strong run blocker, probably the best on the unit overall. Not agile or quick enough to be a good pass blocker and he's dangerous to put on a blitzing linebacker or quick defensive end because he will lose them at the snap. Ok pass blocker against a 4-3 when he is matched up against the average DT. Appears to have lost a half a step already over the last couple of seasons and he's going to need replacing in a year or 2 if that continues. Would be just fine for now on this line if Faneca was not a weak pass blocker, over-taxing Mangold between the 2 of them. Damien Woody - RT Decent run blocker who handles the strong side duties well. Average to poor pass blocker who gets by based on the weaker strong side pass rush. Really not a huge positive or negative on the line at the moment. Will probably need replacing in a year or two. Overall picture: All 5 lineman are decent or better in the running game. 3 of the 5 are decent or better in pass protection. 3 of the 5 will probably need to be replaced by 2011 or so. The Jets fortunes are largely going to be determined by how well the offensive and defensive lines are reconditioned and repaired over the next few seasons.
i've had no problems with the line at all. mangold is all pro calibre yet again, d'brick is solid. moore and woody are steady. i wouldn't mind seeing us drafting another guard and getting rid of faneca though.
I pretty much agree with this assessment. Faneca is overpaid, but he's not mediocre. His age means the Jets will have to look forward to replacing him. Ferguson is solid, even if he's not lived up to the investment the Jets made in him. But is this a positoin that demands attention. No. Mangold is all pro. Woody is average, and probabl in decline. Moore concerns me. It shows up most in the pass blocking. With other holes on the team I am not sure I'd say replacing him is a top concern, but he could decline quickly - he never had the innate talent the others on the line had/have. Sanchez gets plenty of time to throw the ball on average. The OL is not a major problem. Bench depth and the medium term are, though.
I would not call it an "Aging Line" Mangold, Fergusan as far as O Lineman go are still PUPS. Moore is young also. If you had to repace two positions on the line I would say the two guard positions would be easiest to fill and that is what we are looking to replace. Mangold and Fergusan could be around for 12 or so more years. I have feeling fergusan is type of guy year 7-11 will be his best years. I think he will get stronger .
The running game was garbage. They got more then half the yards in garbage time at the end. The running game is what setup Sanchez to fail in 3rd and long situations most of the time....
