I should have clarified, 2006 was Manning's third season in the league but only his second full year as a starter. Manning was not even listed on the nfl.com stat site for 2004. I apologize for the confusion.
You are obviously correct here. And yet there are arguably quite a few anomalies in this past year's stat sheet. Starting with the fact that Peyton Manning is not on it, but also other Qb's who statistically are better than Sanchez, such as Campbell, were not listed due to injuries, or Shaun Hill because Stafford was playing ahead of him. Matt Cassell and Kyle Orton were both well up in the list ahead of Sanchez last year, but Orton did not make the list this year due to his inactivity prior to playing in KC, despite playing well in four games there, while Cassell with his problems did make the list, but below Sanchez. And how about Josh Freeman falling from sixth to 25th? Yikes. One of the more distressing bits of info from the 2011 list is how high Matt Moore went, btw. Moore is better than Sanchez. Ouch.
Please tell me that you are Kate Upton. Please, it would be the only way to explain your posts regarding Sanchez. Mark is an alpha? Are you fucking kidding me? He apparently has as much ability to command respect in a locker room as you would have to win an award for proper grammar use. This reminds me, for all you MMA fans, of when Ariel Helwani talked to Rampage Jackson about alpha's and beta's and then pretended he was an alpha. There is nothing alpha about Mark Sanchez. And I am not sure what makes you think he is a born leader, but it doesn't seem like anyone is following him. Oh, and for the record, he will never be half the qb that Eli was in his rookie season, let alone now. Comparing him to Eli is ridiculous. You want a comparison, go compare him to Tim Tebow or Tavaris Jackson...
At the end of the day if we went through every starting Quarterback in the Nfl we would probably take at least twenty over Sanchez and another five are works in progress. That is sad.
Yep, that was sort of my point. Saying Sanchez was at 23 on the NFL.com stat list for Qb's hardly means there were only 22 Qb's better than him. Unfortunately there are more than that.
I did that in another thread last week. There were 27 starting qb's, or guys who will be starters next year, that he has no chance to beat out for a job. And some of the 5 he can are going to be 2nd year players who he would barely beat out, or who probably will be benched as quickly as he will be next year. And that did not even include back-ups who he would not be able to beat out for a job. There are easily 30-32 NFL qb's who I would want to be the QB of the Jets over Mark Sanchez, and 3 guys who are going to be coming into the league. And a lot of other guys, you can still make the case that you would want them over Sanchez. This adoration of a shitty qb that goes on in thif form is crazy.
You should have seen it this time last year. The general consensus had him in the top ten ready to crack the top five. He has been protected since his days at USC. I really hoped he would be good but it is just not so.
If they play for the Jets now they are the greatest to ever strap on the cleats..that's just the way it is here..unless they were traded from another team or signed as a free agent..then they are the worse that ever lived.
The thing is, I don't see many people claiming Sanchez is the best at anything. Most people I see arguing "for" Sanchez are basically saying we need to be more patient with a young developing QB who has played well in January and not give up on him already. When people make flat arguments that completely ignore the possibility of player development and focus solely on stat comparisons it seems just as ridiculous as an argument saying he should be in the probowl. The offense should be much less complex this year and put a premium on protecting the QB. Let's see how Sanchez responds to that environment with another full NFL offseason under his belt.
You're seriously taking the position that Tiki Barber got in the way of Eli's progression? And Sanchez walked into the perfect situation? Would that include having Schotty at OC? Yes, Sanchez had the benifit of a very good D, but he didn't exactly have the greatest weapons on O - decent, but nothing special, and this past season he was working with less talent around him then in either of his first two, let alone a big downgrade on D and ST. It's amazing how people want to blame every single problem on the QB. Sure, he has his problems, but not any more than the team as a whole.
I was being somewhat sarcastic..basically saying the support for our own players is fervent and in many cases there is no substance to back it up. As far as Sanchez is concerned, he regressed terribly. He couldn't hit a brick wall from 3 feet and that is the reason we never saw any deep plays this year. He either changed them or Schottenheimer never called them to begin with. We have good receivers, I'm tired of hearing they are to blame, and whatever Sanchez's problem is I don't know how they are going to fix his accuracy.
You think anyone who doesn't agree that Sanchez is the worst QB to ever strap on a helmet is out of their mind. I think even the biggest Sanchez supporters here are willing to concede that he has some frustrating tendencies that need to be corrected but you are obviously unwilling to concede that there is any possibility that he will ever improve as a QB and should be dumped immediately. Every post is the same thing over and over. We get it.
I agree his accuracy his a problem, but it is an inaccurate statement to say we had good receivers. We had Tone who we saw disappears if he is the main focus. Plax who was only useful inside the RZ. Kerley didn't really start playing til the middle of the season and showed flashes. I would argue our receivers were significantly better last year and only average this year. They were not bad but they weren't good overall. His accuracy needs to improve dramatically if we want a legitimate shot at HF during the playoffs. I wonder what you think on this, is Sanchez inaccurate or inconsistent or both? I think he can be and is accurate but he is so inconsistent that you never know what throw your getting. I think there is a difference between being inaccurate and inconsistent, wondering what you think.
You guys are nuts with this 20+ you'd take over him. I'll absolutely guarantee you that with the game on the line in the 4th quarter in the playoffs you wouldn't take 10 QB's in the NFL over him.
I was here. I just didnt post much because I had a job where I could not really post much during the day. I do most of my posting at work. It was ridiculous then and it is ridiculous now. The guy is trash. There is no other way to phrase it.
Seems like it. If the guy was a Dolphin, everyone would say he was garbage, not an NFL qb, etc.. But because he is a Jet, you get this nonsensical crap about him being great, having a chance to be great, etc..
I would be glad to talk about Mark Barron, free agents, etc.., but when every other post is about Sanchez or boring (I really dont give a shit about Kate Upton having an effect on Sanchez or similar posts).. As you notice, I dont start threads, I just talk about what is out there.
The problem is that we were told by the jets that Sanchez is "the man" and "he's ready to take the next step". Then you watch him play and he looks exactly like he did his rookie year. The expectations were high for Sanchez and the team and in every way we were disappointed. That exains the hate he gets IMO.
Okay, lets look at this more objectively. at age 25 and through each of their first 3 full seasons as starting QB. In this case I'm going to use Mark as the benchmark to determine what a full season at QB qualifies as in terms of number of passes attempted. Mark in his three years had a low water mark in attempts of 364 attempts, so we'll use 350 attempts as the rough watermark. First by age 25. Mark turned 25 during the 2011 season. Brees turned 25 during the 2004 season. Rodgers turned 25 during the 2008 season. By the time each had reached 25, Mark had started 3 seasons, Brees had started 3 seasons, and Rodgers had started only 1 season. First lets look at accuracy, the biggest complaint against Sanchez. Brees in his first three seasons completed 60.8%, 57.6%, and 65.5%. all with 350 or more attempts. Rodgers had completed 63.6% in the only season he attempted more than 30 passes, his only starting season. Sanchez on the other hand, is at 53.8%, 54.8%, 56.7%. In short Sanchez in his best season has never matched the accuracy of the other two even in their worst seasons by age 25, in a season with more than 30 attempts. Sanchez doesn't lose this catagory slightly, he misses it by a landslide. Second, interception percentage. Mark sets the tone at 5.5%, 2.6%. 3.3%. Brees, 3.0%, 4.2%, 1.8%. Rodgers 2.4%. Again clearly the advantage, overall goes to Brees and Rodgers. Although Mark and Brees are closer in this catagore when you go worst to best for each, (mark first) 5.5-4.2, 3.3-3.0, 2.6-1.8, it is clear that Brees through his first 3 seasons by age 25 threw fewer picks by pass percentage. Again Mark is the bottom of the pile. Third, Average yards per attempt. Mark stands at 6.7, 6.5, 6.4. Brees: 6.2, 5.9, 7.9. Rodgers 7.5. Here Mark is a push with Brees, better his first two seasons but regressing with each, Brees was lesser the first two seasons but blew Sanchez away by the third year at 25. No comparison to Rodgers one season with more than 30 attempts. fourth TD%. Sanchez: 3.3, 3.4 and 4.8%. Brees: 3.2, 3.1, 6.8%. Rodgers: 5.2%. Here Sanchez has a slight advantage over Brees their first two season, but falls way behind in the third season where each turned 25. Rodgers at 25 in his only starting season beats sanchez hands down. fifth. as much as I hate the QB rating, and I hate it with a passion, I'll still use it here. Sanchez: 63.0, 75.3, 78.2. Brees: 76.9, 67.5, 104.8. Rodgers, 106.0. As flawed as the system is by age 25 again here Mark is clearly lacking behind the other two QB's. he's abit of a push with Brees in the first two years, but by the third year where each turned 25 Sanchez was again clearly far behind. sixth, last stat I'm going to use for now, I'll go more if you want. Fumbles. Mark has fumbled 10, 9, 10 for a total of 29. Brees 2, 5, 7 for a total of 14. Rodgers 10. I did not factor fumbles lost version recovered because frankly there is a lot of luck on who recovers a fumble. here Rodgers and Sanchez both share a common trait, they both fumble frequently. Brees on the other hand over 3 years of starting by age 25 had his total fumbles just slightly higher than Sanchez or Rodgers had fumbled in just one year. So a push between rodgers and Sanchez on this catagory, but a clear winner with Brees. In short, there is not one catagory that Sanchez is better than either Rodgers or Brees. In fact if you just look at the season in which each turned 25, Sanchez is a clear and total loser in the comparison, finishing a very distant third. Age 25: comp %: Sanchez 56.7, Brees 65.5, 63.6% yds/att: Sanchez 6.4, Brees 7.9, Rodgers 7.5 INT%: Sanchez 3.3%, Brees 1.8%, Rodgers 2.4% TD%: Sanchez 4.8%, Brees 6.8%, Rodgers 5.2% So care to say again how by the time each was 25 Sanchez was the better player or even comparable? They're not. Sanchez by age 25 isn't even in the same park as the other two by age 25.
Well, he used to be better so I'm not sure what it is but when I see him missing short passes by a lot I have to wonder if he just isn't playing scared. His footwork is terrible which doesn't help but to throw 10 yard passes either 2 yards in front, in back or over the head of a receiver just won't get it done. I would bet that either he or Greene will not be starting next year. We either need a much improved QB or a much improved running game to change our fortunes.
