What can be done to improve the offense right now?

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  1. Nyjets4eva

    Nyjets4eva Well-Known Member

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    Replace Zach Wilson easy
     
  2. REVISion

    REVISion Well-Known Member

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    The obvious things are replacing Zach/Hackett.

    Those aside -

    Throw the ball downfield. More play action. More motion. More shots in the endzone when we're within range. More unpredictable playcalling (maybe a pass once in a while on 2nd and 1 anyone?). More Brownlee. More Izzy. More Ruckert. More jet sweeps to Gipson.

    The biggest thing is throwing the ball downfield and taking shots in the endzone. We do it so infrequently that we rarely benefit from the occasional 30+ yard pass interference gain that other teams do. Throwing the ball downfield is also less risky from an interception perspective since it's basically a glorified punt barring a big return. Right now, the only big plays we ever get are when Breece breaks one free.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    maybe you are too young to remember Buffalo’s K Gun offense
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    don’t really have a deep threat though. It seems like they could find someone on a practice squad somewhere with some speed though
     
  5. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    A hurry up offense with Zach Wilson is the worst idea though IMO

    He can’t pick up first downs so you would be hurrying up to punt
     
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  6. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    The OP conveniently left off the GM from the list, who was the only one who could effect roster change.
    That’s why we won’t make the playoffs yet again, and it’s too late to make any good change now.
    The coaches can make some adjustments, but they can’t turn a team with Zach Wilson, Billy Turner, Newton, Mitchell, Uzmoah and Michael Carter into a playoff team.
    The horses aren’t there and it starts at QB.

    I actually give Saleh props for keeping this team fighting when it’s obvious to everyone that it’s not going to work.
    Team is bound to quit soon though as playoffs get in rear view mirror.
    This is on JD.
     
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  7. Nyjets4eva

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  8. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but that’s further to my point. The last time it was done was almost 30 years ago and the game was different as were the CBA rules.
     
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  9. Get me the Damn Ball

    Get me the Damn Ball Well-Known Member

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    Start slinging the ball downfield. Let Zach be wreckless Zach. It worked in the KC game. I don’t know why we went away from it since that game.
     
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  10. Gremlin

    Gremlin Well-Known Member

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    A capable back-up is able to move the offense and score points on occasion in the redzone.

    Zach is showing none of these things so perhaps its time to go to Boyle and/or Siemian who at least have the theoretical potential to do so in an actual gameday situation, until (like Zach) it's proven that they don't belong on an NFL field.

    If they suck it up as bad or somehow worse then Zachary then you can put him back in, run the wildcat with Breece or just have Morstead punt it every first down and hope our D can get a pick-six, safety or even a turnover that places us at least in chipshot range for Greg.
     
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  11. Unhappyjetsfan

    Unhappyjetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I've written this in a couple of game threads ...

    Imho the best way to salvage QB play from Zach Wilson is to take away all his reads. ALL OF THEM. He's stupid; sorry, but he is. He might be able to solve a math problem, or get a nice score on his SATs, but he's *football* stupid. He is incapable of taking football data (where defenders are lined-up, what are preferred match ups, down and distance, etc), analyzing at the speed necessary in the NFL and making good decisions. He just can't do it.

    But I do think his arm is at least slightly above average when he plants his feet and throws with confidence.

    So what do you do? Take away his reads and decision making. If you're the play caller, you send in a play, you do not allow any audibles or adjustments, you give Wilson a single receiver to throw it to (whoever you would have made the primary option if you had a normal QB) ... and then he either throws it to that receiver (if he is open) or he throws it out of bounds. No reading a defensive player, no secondary reads, no dump-offs if no one is open, no scrambling ... no anything other than throwing it to the named receiver or throwing it away.

    This would minimize a huge portion of the opportunities for Wilson to make mistakes - throwing off his back foot, misinterpreting a defense (zone vs man, etc), scrambling backwards 10 yards then taking a sack, throwing across the field to a third option who kinda/sorta might be open, strip sacks, holding on to the ball too long. 90% of those go away. He's either open or he's not - no other decisions.

    Of course, no offensive coordinator in the league (including the dope calling our plays) would ever do this because they all think they are the smartest guy in the room and that if their QB just correctly makes the two pre-snap reads, plus the three post-snap progression reads that an open receiver has to be there and every play is a touchdown. Sorry, you might be the smartest guy in the room, but your QB is the dumbest guy on the field. Either you can accept it and do what is available to you to minimize his mistakes, or you're going to score 10 points and gift the other team good field position all game.

    If they are not willing to do something like this, they should either (a) sign the best option QB who graduated in the last three years and run the wishbone, or (b) punt on first down. It literally can't be worse than watching Wilson not having any understanding of what is going on around him for four quarters.

    And every single play should be from under center (no shotgun) and every pass play should be off of play-action. The whole league knows the only thing we do well is run off-tackle with Hall; there is no reason we shouldn't be using that to help Wilson pass.
     
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  12. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    Replace the Quarterback.
     
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    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    You know, your talent for contradicting yourself while still maintaining the rhetorical high-ground truly is remarkable.
     
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  14. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    he is showing it just fine. he can't control drops, bad play calling and no run game.
     
  15. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    it's not a contradiction. they can both be true. zach sucks and he's also in a shitty situation. they aren't mutually exclusive statements.

    your talent for a lack of reading comprehension on the other hand...
     
  16. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    Yet you relentlessly defend Zach Wilson unlike any other player on the team. Forgive me if I doubt the equivalence you claim in blame.
     
  17. Jets OG fan

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    Honestly, there isn't much of anything they can do to change this. You have to hope that cutting Carter will light a fire under the other dudes and that the players only meeting can get people to focus and work harder to improve.

    I know it sounds simplistic, but they have to execute better and stop committing drive killing penalties. Those are things that can be fixed.
     
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  18. Jets OG fan

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    With who?
     
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  19. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    i have not "defended" him once. ther is nothing to defend. the offense has 20+ players and coaches who all need to do their jobs and some are doing better and some are doing worse then expected
    the issue is the people oddly attacking him think anyone without pitchforks is defending him.
    i'm just calling the situation what it is in a fair realistic fashion
    you are just lashing out at 1 target out of emotion then lashing out at the person saying calm down be resonable
     
  20. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    people are acting so irrational they think they can suit up and do better
     

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