This is all based on ellis's dissapearing act of 05 and robertson's amazing passrush that happens to show up once every linear eclipse. Ellis had 2.5 sacks last year and his pass rush has never been a thing of beauty. He always gets held up once a tackle gets lower than him. The only time d-rob has even come close to sniff the backfield in his 4 years as a jet was the one time he went offsides and then went to tackle LT for a 3 yard loss. Other than that hes had about 4 sacks in 2 years. KVO- Is old slow and FATT prime elements that make up a LACK of a pass rush. If anything we actually gain some speed when we insert Bryan Thomas into the game. Thats saying alot. Also if the Fo thinks that Chatham or Hobson has the ability to get to the qb like a mcginest or joey porter they have a big surprise coming for them. Hobson has terrible footwoork and chatham hasnt proven to be anymore than a special teams player. We may have to move vilma to the outside just to get speed on the edge but that would be messing with the one proven strength of our defense. The ideal situation would be keeping abraham and using him as an olb/de hybrid which would really wreak havoc if he were rushing from the same side as an ellis or KVO. But once again we are jets fans and nothing ideal ever happens for us and no matter how dominating a front line that ellis, drob, Kvo, with a lb duo of abraham vilma hobson and chatham can be, it will never and i mean never come into fruitition considering abrahams demands. There is one plus to this whole ordeal and that is we should be stronger against the rush and the oline wont be able to get the same push as they did last year against the likes of james reed and abraham. But it wont really matter if we dont get a F@TA&& NT capable of keeping vilma clean enough to make some tackles because frankly anytime vilma goes up against an nfl guard, im taking the guard. So either way you look at it, were pretty much screwed. Great being a jets fan. Especially when every team around keeps on getting better. Considering culpeppers a dolphin and we wont be dealing with wandsted anytime again, we just might win even less in 06 than the 4-12 2005
Are you serious? Our pass Rush will be fine just not as big once abe is gone. Ellis is a good pass rushing end and run stopping and like i said many times before had a down year like a lot of our defensive players. Last year he was slowed up by injury. DRob can be a good Nose and Kimo will be fine as the other end and will get some sacks. Our pass rush wont be what it was before but it wont be terrible as you are saying.
I think the whole idea of the 3-4 is to get your linebackers the sacks. The front 3 are going to take up as much space as they can. We will do alright with sacks
Agreed. The way it stands right this second, the pass rush would be nearly nonexistent. However, they can still add parts! It's only March!
3-4 defense isn't designed to have your front line get many sacks. It is all about them eating up blockers for the linebackers to get sacks and tackles.
u say kimo cant pass rush????? well i guess my eyes were screwing with me when i saw him take palmer out of the playoffs!!!!
There is no question Ellis was bad last year, but he was one of the few players that suffered due to herm not making everyone workout. Apparently he got out of shape and gained weight... We now have THREE strength and conditioning coaches and I believe Ellis will bounce back. 3-4 calls for bigger guys...not all about speed in the 3-4...more about size and power.
Also if we sign Mcginest our pass rush will get even better. You guys are makin good points about the 3-4. The DE's are usually good strong run stoppers and the LB's get all the sacks and make a lot of the plays.
Too bad our front 3 are too undersized for that job. Aside from Oelhoffen, both Ellis and DRob are abit small for the end positions, let alone the NT spot. Bryan Thomas isn't even a consideration as a 3-4 end.
Hasn't McGinest signed with the Cleveland Browns? If not, he's darn close to being reunited with his old D-Coordinator, Romeo Crennel.
YOu are right and i agree with you 100 %!!!! But Who on our roster as of now is capable of getting to the Qb at the LB position. Vilma is great but he has shown that he is not the pass rushing type LB. He had trouble bringing down drew bledsoe and too often runs out of his lane giving the qb time to step aside. Hobson is slow and thats evident anytime you watch him play. Barton at this point is nothing more than a question mark None of us know anything about chatham. At this point i'd like us to target Mcginest just to bring in a proven pass rusher.
Ellis weighs over 290 pounds I believe...he is certainly big enough... Also in his rookie year when Al Groh was here, we played the 3-4 and Ellis excelled that year and had 8.5 sacks in the 3-4. Ellis can be a excellent 3-4 end.
Whoa, hold up there..John Abraham owned this whole line. We have to fill a huge gap. I don't think that DRob is going to be any good at nose and he'll struggle adjusting to 3-4, Kimo von Oelhoffen is slow. Ellis has to prove himself. we will see but i have to disagree with you.
__________________ I agree with you. Considering abes injury history i think almost every jetfan should clearly remember him missing 5 games and our dline not recording sacks for games at a time. It seemed like everytime abe was injured ellis would dissapear because teams would stop double teaming abe and focus on ells. We had absolutely 0 Passrush with abe out of the lineup over the past 3 years
KVO is a great player. He can rush the passer and also stop the run. Ellis had a bad year around a bad defense. HE's better than most de's in the leauge. DRob has a ton of potential...i think with veterans around him he will do well. We will have a dominant pass rush in 06 provided we get 2 or 3 lineman.
It's going to make for a very interesting season. But I'm in the thinking that we are going after Mario and if he's gone we'll trade down.
Our lineup isn't even set yet. It's a long offseason. As far as Drob goes we haven't even begun to scratch the surface of his talent. Until we get him next to a nice fatty DT we won't see what he is capable of doing. As an aside - we are not 'switching to a 3-4'. It is a defense that will be implemented along with a ton of other fronts. We will be switching fronts in order to confuse the opposing offense. It seems as if people believe that we are commiting to a 3-4 like Pittsburgh or the Browns.
