I put this in the draft section to see how the group over here feels about VG after pre-season. You guys on the draft board, at least the regulars, know how I felt about drafting VG. I want you're opinions about Gholston's pre-seson with the Jets. IMO, what scares me the most is is total lack of instincts. I understand he 's new playing OLB, but drafting the #6 player in the draft and putting in a new positon is very risky. A project at the top of the draft isn't the direction I would have gone, especially with the concerns I had regarding VG. The Gholston supporter's will say...." it's too early, give him a chance"....that's fine, but Gholston will never become a complete OLB. Too bad VG doesn't mean "very good", cause he just ain't and will be regretable selection by Tangini. At least the other Rd 1 selection, who many hated, looks like he has a bright future. My comments on the main board.............. Originally Posted by RichMiano I was against drafting this guy from the get go but unfortunately the way the draft shaped up we really didn't have much choice. Hopefully at some point this guy figures out this isn't Ohio St and your not playing against the stiffs in the Big 10 or Youngstown St anymore. I was screaming from the rooftops, my friends on TGG's Draft section know too well how I felt, that Gholston was an extremely risky selection. Living in Columbus, I've seen Gholston's entire career and so far he's the same luckluster, one-trick-pony for the Jets (hasn't even had much success getting his hands on the QB,) I expected in the NFL. I never thought Gholston could adapt to playing in coverage, it wasn't what he did at OSU. Gholston will only be succesful rushing the QB, he's not and never will be a COMPLETE OLB. To be #6 pick money for a one-trick-pony is a terrible blunder. Gholston just isn't a complete football player in the sense he doesn't have football instincts, which IMO is very important. VG has all the physical tools, but not the instincts & desire (That's right.... he lacks the true love of the game) to become a complete player. Rich....you brought up a good point, at # 6 the Jets were forced into drafting VG..............the Jet's should have pursued trading down. __________________
No, they should have traded up and taken McFadden who will probably end up being OROY on a team where he doesn't even get the majority of the snaps.
Well, this thread isn't about McFadden. I guess we just needed to lose the KC game at the end of the season and you would have gotten you're man.
I didnt want Gholston either i thought that he was a great specimen but not really a great football player. Looking back now i guess me and u were right but hopefully we will be wrong in the long run. #6 overall is too high to be wondering whether a player will turn out to be good or not.We should have chosen someone else or traded down and gotten more picks. For instance if we did that trade with the Jaguars we could have grabbed Kentwan Balmer to be a 3-4 end still grabbed Keller and then with the jags 2 3rd round picks to get 2 more players.
Watch out, fellas. Don't let SUorangefootball see this thread. This is what he wrote to me in a thread where I expressed a dislike for the Gholston selection-
You...made a thread asking if you're right about a rookie after his first PRESEASON? Can I ask that we, as fans of this team, actually show some fucking pride in the team? No? Not happening? Asking alot? You'd rather yell and think you're right? That sucks...
I haven't seen anything from Gholston this summer to change my mind on him. He still looks like an Aundray Bruce-type to me. Back in April, I wrote that I thought Gholston could play in the NFL for 10 years, but that he'd be nothing spectacular. I hope I am wrong and he becomes a great player. Posters who have been deeming that the guy is a bust already is nuts. There's no way I'm going that far with it right now.
Yes, you were right. I was very much against the pick, but at the same time, it was a worthless opinion since I had absolutely no idea who to take there with what came off the board in the top 5. He's not learning, he's just regressing, and yes, it's preseason, but I don't care. I saw enough of him in college to think that he's not going to do well in the NFL. He excelled in college because he was a man among boys (stronger and faster), not because he had good technique, which is what the biggest concern is. Now moving him to a new position? I feel like the Jets just bought into the hype of a workout warrior.
Dware................You and I have total opposite feelings about VG, it's always been the case. Of course, I love the Jets and support them 100%, but I have have the right to voice my opinion that selecting Ghoston was a HUGE mistake, even with only the preseason complete. VG lacks complete football instincts......"he's lost in the sauce in coverage". A rookie Free agent, Cummings looks more polished and has a better feel for the game and he's playing a new position and isn't making 30 mill. I will support Gholston and I want him to do very well and help our franchise to be sucessful. I respect your opinion, but you need to respect mine, especially since I've witnessed Gholston's career first hand for the last 3 years. I don't Waffle, or Flip/flop, I'm consistent with my opinions....... I will be willing to admit I'm wrong about VG if he turns out to be a player worthy of his selection....will you???? Gholston may become a decent player, but not worth a top 6 pick and I 'm sticking with my opinion. I do blame the Jet's management and scouting staff trying to convert Gholston to a OLB.....and hope he becomes the next Demarcus Ware/ Merriman.....a huge risk. If you want a straight ahead pure passer, Gholston's the man....don't make him into something he isn't or didn't even play in College for a huge amount of Coin.
I don't get why anyone would consider talking about how a player isn't as good as hyped is trashing the team. You can root for a team without blindly following everything that they say and do. I disagree with the Gholston pick too and don't think he's going to be good at all. Why does that make me not a real fan? I think that shows that I want the team to succeed and get a better player in there.
Its a COMPLETELY new position for the dude, he didnt even play this at college. I think if in a 4-3 and at DE, he can contribute right away but he just isnt. He'll take a bit of time to adjust I mean. I mean Carson Palmer sits for 1 year as a QB, you dont hear people saying he's a bust or yelling at him. Same with many QBs for the most part, there is an major adjustment period when going from college to the NFL. I think what sort of hurts Gholston in fans eyes is when guys like Merriman(Albeit use of steroids) and Ware can automatically step in and contribute and make a major difference because then that puts the ball on fellow players like Gholston in that they have to duplicate the seasons that each of those individuals had. I know you may not want to wait at all for the 6th pick and everything but just give him a year to get himself soaked in the water. Let him get a year under his belt and what not, and if he is still struggling to develop and understand the speed of the game THEN we can talk. I just think its insane to expect a guy who has suited up for the Jets in maybe a little over 1 month to suddenly grasp upon everything that there is in the 3-4 and become a dominant player. It will take some time most certainly and I am willing to wait it.
Appreciate you're comments...Mike. I guess you have to ask Dware that question??? I truly want Gholston to succeed, any true Jet Fan should want the same. Let's see if VG improves and is worthy of a top 6 pick, I hope he does.
Baker........waiting is fine, only for a short while, if you believe VG has the "stuff" to become a Top 6 player. I don't think he will ever become the player worth that high of a selection.
Ok guys, you need to take a step back and look at this, He's played in like 8 defensive series and you already are calling him a bust. Sure he looks lost on some plays. Did you see Peyton Manning on his first year? He was terrible, look at him now. This is not only qbs Mario Williams anyone? He was a below average DE his first year. We knew this was going to be a project. We can debate on whether taking a high ceiling project guy with the 6th pick was the right move or not but the fact is that thats what we did. We have the luxury of developing at his own pace tho, we already have two established starters and he can begin this year and possibly stay this whole year as a situational pass rusher while he adjusts to this position. Next year if he looks this bad in preseason ill agree with you but until then i still think Gholston has a bright future in The ganggreen
Ok will people stop opening new VG bust topics. Fact is it doesn't matter what any of us thinks because we don't run the Jets. He'll be fine, so stop crying about how you think he's a bust.
