Voter Fraud

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  1. Dierking

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    Just goes to show TDS is alive and well you just don’t find it where the neanderthals think you will.
     
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    Interesting comments by a lawyer who formerly represented Trump regarding the current Arizona "audit" and the call for even more slanted "audits":

    The retired attorney said that audits, like the one being carried out by Arizona Republicans, are "nothing more than a publicity stunt." Trump and his allies have demanded similar "audits" in Pennsylvania, Georgia and other battleground states—despite the states already carrying out official audits and no credible evidence of widespread fraud.

    "The people who are doing them don't have the qualifications, the expertise, the background or the experience," Pirich said. "They're looking to slant things. The reality is, the election is over."

    Former Trump Lawyer Says Republicans 'Spinning a Fairytale' About 2020 Election (newsweek.com)
     
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    Thank Christ Hillary is gone. Only a fucking disaster like her could lose to Trump.
     
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    Remove the people and parties, it's still amazing it happened when you think about the odds
     
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    The latest voter suppression scorecard:
    Voting Laws Roundup: May 2021 | Brennan Center for Justice

    Some of these provisions sound reasonable in the abstract, but the cumulative weight of them serves to suppress voting by the poor and disabled. I believe that even Jim Crow provisions such as literacy tests could have sounded reasonable in 1910 (e.g., reading was virtually the only way to be an informed voter and so reading as a requirement was necessary to help voters cast ballots not based on malicious rumors, etc.).

    Also, states have a history of enforcing voting restrictions differently depending on whose votes they want to count:

    "Prior to passage of the federal Voting Rights Act in 1965, Southern states maintained elaborate voter registration procedures deliberately designed to deny the vote to nonwhites.
    This process was often referred to as a "literacy test," a term that had two different meanings — one specific and one general.
    Some states used an actual reading test. They argued//// But the test results were rigged by biased registrars who were the sole judges whether — in their opinion — you were sufficiently "literate" to "pass." They often did not require white applicants to take the test at all, or always "passed" those who did. Black applicants were almost always required to take the test, even those with college degrees, and they were almost always deemed to have "failed."
    Civil Rights Movement -- Literacy Tests & Voter Applications (crmvet.org)

    "Presented as a means for assessing whether voters were educated enough to vote, literacy tests and other methods were designed for a single purpose: to stop Black Americans from voting. . . .
    But by the dawn of the 20th century, all the progress that was made to expand the rights of freed American slaves was severely crippled by the institution of state-specific voting laws that were designed to exclude Black voters from the ballot box. Southern states created elaborate voter registration procedures or “voting literacy tests” that determined whether the voter in question was literate enough to cast their ballot.
    Of course, these tests were administered largely to voters of color and were scored by biased judges. The tests were intentionally confusing and difficult and one wrong answer meant a failing grade. Even Black voters with college degrees were given failing scores." Can You Pass This Voting Literacy Test Made To Disenfranchise Blacks? (allthatsinteresting.com)

    "Proponents of tests to prove an applicant’s ability to read and understand English claimed that the exams ensured an educated and informed electorate. In practice they were used to disqualify immigrants and the poor, who had less education. In the South they were used to prevent African Americans from registering to vote. The Voting Rights Act ended the use of literacy tests in the South in 1965 and the rest of the country in 1970." Literacy Tests | National Museum of American History (si.edu)
     
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  8. Greenday4537

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    The GOP is such an embarrassment. Democracy is something they hate so much. They can't win a popular election to save their lives so they are stuck relying on antiquated useless election systems and not counting American citizen's votes because they are disliked by the majority of America.
     
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    To be fair, the Jim Crow voter suppression laws were passed and enforced by Southern racist Democrats. I do agree that today's voter suppression laws are being pressed by Southern and Northern Republicans. I don't presume to prejudge them as personally racist, but I do believe that the current voter suppression laws seem to be aimed at making voting more difficult for poor and disabled urban voters. I think that whatever party is putting forth legislation that effectively disenfranchises American citizens needs to be confronted.
     
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    Well there you have it for the gullible.
     
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    Good God. Now Italy stole the election from him?

    Trump is sick and should be institutionalized. He was never what I would call a "smart" person to begin with but I have to wonder if the Covid or Covid meds fried his brain. This stuff is delusional psychosis
     
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    Jewish space lasers caused California wildfires while Italian space lasers caused T*ump to lose the election.
    Now we see why we got a Space Force. /s
     
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    ....at least we got Pizza and pasta Fazool
     
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    So, is the Arizona Fraudit done yet?
     
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    My guess is that is that they'll say they're done when they have enough chance to spin the results so that they come out the way they want.

    They need to spin the results enough to justify laws that effectively disenfranchise the poor and disabled in urban settings. They will say that the laws are needed to secure elections. This despite the fact that courts and independent examiners have NEVER found widespread fraud that influenced election results.

    Also, anybody who actually examines these laws will find that some provisions have nothing to do with election security. For example, the use of polling booths in RV's was prohibited in the Georgia election law, despite the fact that the same security measures were used in the RV's as in the polling booths in school cafeterias. The intent of such provisions is clearly to make voting more inconvenient for the urban poor and disabled, and thereby to reduce their participation in the election.
     
  19. BrowningNagle

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    they will be done "auditing" when dumbass trump people stop donating money to their audit. Which might be never
     

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