Playing his style, Tebow held up physically for a grand total of 13 games. If the Broncos had gotten past New England in that playoff game, Tebow would not have been able to suit up for the AFC Championship Game. Tebowites tend to only see what they wish to see. Then they find someone else to blame when things don’t work out.
I think the point of the quote is that the Broncos weren't letting him play his style. You may disagree, but that's what Urban was saying. The Broncos sort of combined the worst elements in terms of wear and tear -- lots and lots of designed runs, very little spread (until the final minutes). Ideally, he's got the ability to change plays and burn with with the run only when it's optimal. It's possible to do better.
Put him in Carolina's offense, and I believe he'll look as good as Cam Newton and as he did in college. They both ran that same style offense in college. The Broncos did the best they could in implementing the spread offense, but I have said it over and over: they didn't have the personnel suited for a spread offense. It's not different than trying to have a 4-3 defense with 3-4 personnel. You can do it, you can line them up different, but they're not going to be effective. That was the problem in Denver. They didn't have a coaching staff with any experience in the spread offense. They didn't go out and trade for two upper tier tight ends like Carolina did for Cam Newton. They didn't have 2 elite running backs that could catch passes and play out of the back field like Carolina trained Stewart and Deangelo(and it took them about 6 games to figure out how to play in that style). And they didn't have an elite receiver worth a damn that would command double coverage. And when it comes to that, it doesn't make a difference if you are in a spread, west coast, or conventional NFL offense. If you don't have at least one elite receiver who commands double coverage, you're pretty much SOL in the NFL anyway. They tried to create a spread offense, with personnel that wasn't suited for it and their offensive coordinator as well as Fox had little experience with it. Not saying it's their fault, and I give them all the credit in the world for the job they did do in making it work. I have a whole lot of respect for coach Fox and if it wasn't for him I wouldn't even have gave a rats ass about Tebow. But they were first year coaches and they were pretty clear that they wanted to go in a different direction from the beginning. It was what it was. But it didn't benefit that team nor Tebow. On top of everything, John Fox believes that it's ok to run the ball 80 consecutive times a game if it works. And if he could run the ball 80 times a game he would. He sees no problems with it. Honestly John Fox must have been in heaven with Tebow and that rushing game. But if we're going to be honest, Denver had no intention of trying to make the playoffs last year and certainly had no intention of ever building around Tebow nor Orton. It was John Fox's first year, he wanted to ride out his first year with what he had, then load up in the off-season and make a run in year 2. Same routine he had when he came into Carolina. Tebow came in and started winning and threw a big wrench in their plans. Screwed up their draft picks and everything.
You left out one key piece of info. Tebow was hurt in the pocket when he was sacked by wilfork and when he fell on him the injury occurred. It had nothing to do with the playing style. Although its a valid point . As you know Denver barely ran the spread last year, when they did ( late in 4th) Tebow had his best moments .
The Jets will better use the strengths of Timmy. The play calling last year was so frustrating, for both haters and fans.
There's more to it than that. Most people outside the Patriots fan base don't know this, but the Patriots, don't run either a 4-3 or a 3-4. They run BOTH at pretty much at all times simultaneously because of Vince. They can instantly switch between 4-3 and 3-4 and do so very often without ever subbing defensive players. I am not surprised Tebow had issues with the Pats D. He's likely never seen anything like it and I doubt a lot of other QB's have. I don't know if there's any other defense that currently does this in the NFL. They can give you a lot of confusing looks. You can read more about it here: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...ck-vince-wilfork-new-england-patriots-defense And again the other issue is Denver's offense never benefited from the advantages a spread offense gives you in the passing department because of their lack of tight ends and elite receivers. All they got was the running aspects of it and ran it all the way into the playoffs, but I actually don't expect Tebow to have the pass/rush ratios he had in Denver here with the Jets. He's going to be a lot more balanced between pass/rush because the Jets have receivers in place to put something together more along the lines of what Carolina has.
Yeah i agree. actually surprised more teams didnt change their whole personnel and coaches around after all the success that the panthers had last year......
1) Please stop referring to "the spread" as on offense. It's a formation. The Pats run their offense out of the base spread formation. So does Rich Rodriguez. Not even remotely similar offenses. 2) The UF offense in 2008 was the spread option: an read option based out of a spread formation, with components of the wildcat and the traditional triple option, with some WCO passing principles. But mostly its a simpleton scheme that has mostly died out of college football already. 3) Carolina ran NOTHING like the Rich Rod spread option. Also, Cam Newton is an actual QB with an accurate, strong arm, and is faster than Tebow. 4) Listening to advice from Urban Meyer, a career college coach, about "what will work in the NFL" is like listening to Mike Francessa as an authority on the game of basketball: completely idiotic.
Cam newton ran a 4.59 Tebow ran a 4.62 ( that was Tebow's low so not sure about cam) so they appear to be comparable in speed, Tebow I believe beat cam in just about every other combine stat ( I'm repeating a talking head on tv on that one ) Cam is certainly the more developed passer ( by a wide margin )although Tebow has the main stat which is wins as a starter obviously.( the teams are actually more comparable than one would guess although Denver was the worst team in the nfl the past few seasons before all the changes in QB and offense) I also want to address something i never hardly hear being brought up , The difference between 46.5% and 58% completion was 3 more completions a game . Tebow never checked down , but he gained 950 yards rushing in first 16 starts (Includes post season ) that's a lot of 7 yard dumps worth of yardage , Tebow just did the same production a different way. That's my opinion , he had 3835 total yards and 32 TDs In first 16 starts ( includes 2 post season games as part of those starts) that's pretty good production setting aside the completion percentage and setting aside all the talk that he sucks .
LOL wait you dont actually believe Sparano invented the wildcat do you hahaha? PLEASE do your homework. Yes, Urbans Spread Option is a combo of the triple option, the single wing (wildcat), and the WCO. Thats exactly what it is, actually, and its done out of the spread formation. In 2006, it was more WCO based, and in 2008 it was more option based.
Lots of silly assertions in this post, but I'll just focus on this last, most inane, part. You have to be crazy to think John Fox came to Denver wanting to lose football games to gain a higher draft pick. First off, no coach does that and certainly not his first year on the job. Second, he saw that losing football games was what bought his predecessor a bus ticket to Missouri. Now, I'm not saying that's the only thing that got McDickless fired. Being an egomaniac and an asshole was part of the equation, but he could have maintained those traits and held his job if he was winning football games. The Broncos instituted elements of the spread option partially to make Tebow more comfortable, but also because he was very ineffective in a conventional pro style offense.
Ok so let's summarize the March-joined "Jets" fans point here: 1) John Fox wanted to lose, and it was to his dismay that he had to start Tebow. Or perhaps he wanted to lose, and thus decided to start Tebow and his evil genius plan backfired! 2) The reason Tebow can't throw isn't bc of the worst throwing motion Ive ever seen, horrendous footwork, and a complete inability to go through progressions: it's bc of Willis McGahee! 3) The Broncos didn't bring in Percy Harvin, so how do you expect Tebow to throw! 4) Tony Sparano invented the wildcat in 2008, and just picked a name out of his hat to label it. 5)Urban Meyer runs a secret offense that only Tebow knows, and that doesnt have any WCO elements, nor any single wing elements, and had John Fox not been such an ego maniac, Tebow would have thrown for 5,000 yards and won the superbowl using this GENIUS UNSTOPPABLE SCHEME....."the spread"
The word locally was that Tebow actually had to teach OC Mike McCoy the spread so that they could put in the plays.
No I never said John Fox wanted to lose. He went 7-9 in Carolina his first year and his second year made the Superbowl. I said they wanted to cruise through the season and load up in the off season. Nobody wants to lose, but you also have to be realistic when building a team. Fox wasn't brought there to take that team to the playoffs in his first year as a coach. Broncos weren't the 49ers.
