UFL: Failure or Success?

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Will the UFL succeed?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. WTF is this and why am I voting on it?

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  1. wildthing202

    wildthing202 Active Member

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    http://www.ufl2008.com/

    Just some stuff they have.

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    BTW the stupid part - LA & Vegas were already promised teams so why are they involved in the vote. Also where did Mexico City go?


    Other stuff:

    http://www.unitedfootballleagues.com/ December 2nd, 2007 by ChrisSloan
    I can’t get enough; football, football, football and if I didn’t mention it I need just one more night of football. Saturday is college game day, Sunday is NFL game day, we’ve got Monday Night Football and now the NFL Network has their Re-Play on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.


    My two boys are years away from High School and I grew up in Houston so I don’t have a strong tie to any of the area schools. So every Friday night I’m stuck watching cheesy family sitcoms and high school highlights; I’d love to kick back after a long week with a pizza, some wings, some ice cold beverages and high-speed professional football game.

    The UFL is planning to give me that chance and if they put a team down in Austin I’ll be rooting for a Friday and Saturday team from the Lone Star state. Don’t get me wrong, come Sunday I’ll be backing the Cowboys, you know, Tony Romo and company, but at least now I won’t be waiting to get my football fix.

    This guy is pathetic, how about playing a football video game or watching some of the college games they play on Fridays sometime or I don't know about getting a job and leave the house once in a while.


    http://www.gambling911.com/United-Football-League-053007.html

    Betting on the United Football League (UFL) Soon sports bettors will have something new to bet on in the form of the United Football League. Though the NFL has quashed four other attempts to compete with it, this time things may be different.

    The New York Times Sports Magazine reports in its June 3 issue that Wall Streeter Bill Hambrecht and Google executive Tim Armstrong are launching the United Football League, which has already secured Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Mexico City (to give it that international flair). Orlando and San Antonio are two other cities being considered that do not currently have an NFL team. The UFL hopes to start off with eight teams.

    Hambrecht and Armstrong will be in good company. Mark Cuban has been lined up as their first team owner and they are looking for seven more.
    “There are quite a few good-sized non-N.F.L. cities that can support a pro team," insists Cuban.

    According to United Football League executives, Nocera reports, the new league will emulate the old American Football League – one of whose major characteristics was revenue sharing. Each owner will put up $30 million, worth a half-interest in a team; the league will own the other half.

    Eventually, the plan envisions that fans will become stakeholders – because each team will sell shares to the public to raise an average of $60 million per franchise. Public ownership will reduce the pricing pressure on the teams, resulting in cheaper tickets all around.

    Officials are convinced they can land decent players from the get-go, and better players later on. “The U.F.L. will be able to offer most rookies, who aren’t top draft choices, far more money than the N.F.L. would give them,” Nocera writes.

    The league would apparently make Friday nights its signature TV time, as the NFL and big-time college programs generally cede Fridays to high school football. And it might get decent TV ratings, as far as cable TV goes, with a Friday night package of games.

    I'm starting to think they should remove this law. It would be like making a law that MLB can't play on Sundays in order to protect local Softball leagues or for another example that Wal-Mart can't be open on Tuesdays in order to protect the mom & pop shops

    Last one:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/sports/playmagazine/0603play-business.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
    June 3, 2007
    The Business
    First and Long — Very Long

    By JOE NOCERA
    Bill Hambrecht is a rich old Wall Street guy who has made his money tilting at windmills and disrupting the establishment. “That’s what I do,” he says. “It’s fun.” Almost a decade ago, at 62, he founded WR Hambrecht + Company, whose fundamental premise is that companies don’t need to use Wall Street investment bankers — and pay their outrageous fees — to go public. Hambrecht + Company has since become so threatening to traditional underwriters that they often refuse to be involved in any I.P.O. in which his firm takes part.

    And now, at an age when most people are well into retirement, he has decided to tackle the establishment again. This time, though, the establishment isn’t Wall Street. It’s the National Football League. Bill Hambrecht, you see, is starting up a professional football league. So far, he and his partner, Tim Armstrong, a senior executive at Google, have pledged $2 million each. They’ve hired a C.E.O. and a C.O.O., both of whom cut their teeth at the National Basketball Association. They’ve got a name: the United Football League. And they’ve lined up a wealthy, well-known businessman as their first owner: Mark Cuban, the billionaire who owns the N.B.A.’s Dallas Mavericks. Like Hambrecht, Cuban loves nothing more than confronting the status quo.
     
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  2. wildthing202

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    Obviously, the U.F.L. is still in the early planning stages. It hasn’t yet hired a single football person and is still hunting for seven more owners with Cuban’s deep pockets and contrarian mindset, so that the league can begin with eight teams. It could easily fall apart before the first kickoff. Indeed, there has already been one setback: Boone Pickens, the oilman turned-corporate-raider-turned-billionaire-hedge-fund manager, recently abandoned his intention to buy a team. But Cuban remains committed, and if all goes according to plan, the U.F.L. will play its first preseason games in August 2008. I kid you not.

    Hambrecht has been thinking unconventional thoughts about pro football for a long time. Back in the early 1980s, he was a minority partner in the Oakland Invaders, one of the original franchises of the late, unlamented United States Football League, a spring league that played its games during the N.F.L.’s off-season. The U.S.F.L. folded in 1985, after three seasons. “It was started by a bunch of guys who were riding high because of the S.&L. boom,” Hambrecht recalls. “As soon as the boom turned to bust, the league went broke.”

    Most of us would go through such an experience and conclude, Never again. Not Hambrecht. He was convinced that the U.S.F.L. could have worked with a smarter game plan and owners who were more patient. At various times he discussed a new league with NBC, CBS and Fox, but those talks went nowhere. Then one day last year, Hambrecht told Tim Armstrong, whom he met when his firm helped manage Google’s initial public offering, about his dream of a new football league. The more Armstrong heard, the more excited he got. By October, the two men had committed their $2 million, hired their first three executives (Bill Daugherty, the C.E.O.; Jon Brod, the C.O.O.; and Andrew Goldberg, a senior analyst) and begun an extensive study to see if the idea was really feasible.

    Let’s now take a moment to consider what the U.F.L. will be up against: a monopolistic sports league utterly unafraid to take advantage of its monopoly power. Over the years, the N.F.L. has squashed four competitors, most recently the NBC- and World Wrestling Federation-backed XFL in 2001. Right now, Arena Football is an alternate league, but it’s a marginal thing, with negligible TV ratings and an average of 12,000 fans per game. And with eight players to a side, games in the N.F.L.’s off-season and a field that looks like a hockey rink, it’s not exactly “real” football.

    Where others might be daunted by the N.F.L.’s success and power, though, Hambrecht came to believe its monopoly status gave him an opening. “I really started thinking hard about this after the Los Angeles Rams left to go to St. Louis and the Houston Oilers went to Nashville,” he told me over drinks recently. “Why do you leave two of the top 10 TV markets in the country for these two smaller markets?”

    The answer, of course, is that the N.F.L. doesn’t really have to worry about where its teams are located, since most games are televised and the bulk of the league’s revenues come from its network contracts. What’s more, with the right stadium deal and enough corporate sponsorship, team owners can make as much (or more) money in smaller cities as they can in larger ones. That’s why the N.F.L. does just fine despite not fielding a team in 21 of the country’s top 50 markets — including such enormous metropolitan areas as San Antonio, Las Vegas, Orlando and (of course) Los Angeles. Nor does the N.F.L., which now has 32 teams, have much incentive to expand. On the contrary: expansion dilutes the TV money. (Greg Aiello, the N.F.L.’s spokesman, told me that “expansion isn’t on the table right now.”)

    So the first step in Hambrecht’s plan is to enter big cities where the N.F.L. isn’t. As Mark Cuban put it to me in an e-mail, “There are quite a few good-sized non-N.F.L. cities that can support a pro team.” So far, the U.F.L. has decided to put teams in Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Mexico City. (Cuban is considering taking the Las Vegas franchise.) Each owner will put up $30 million, giving him an initial half-interest in the team; the league will own the other half. But eventually the fans themselves will become shareholders — because each team is going to sell shares to the public. Then the owner, the league and the fans will each own a third of every franchise.

    Hambrecht and his executives believe that the initial public offerings will raise, on average, another $60 million per team, giving it about $90 million in working capital. They also hope that the stock sale will create intense fan loyalty. “This is going to be a very accessible league,” says Daugherty, the C.E.O. “Fans will own a piece of the team, and they’ll get tickets at more affordable prices.”

    Hambrecht expects his owners to be wealthy — and patient — enough to absorb losses for up to five years. The league will need a television contract, of course, but its existence is not predicated on a megabucks deal, at least not at first. The U.F.L. is open to making a smaller deal with a cable network like USA, TNT or Comcast’s Versus network (the former OLN). One mistake other leagues have made, Hambrecht believes, is counting on an upfront TV deal — and bringing in owners who expect to make money instantly.

    One television advantage the U.F.L. will have is Friday night. Thanks to the 1961 Sports Broadcasting Act, the N.F.L. is prohibited from televising games on most autumn Friday nights. (The prohibition was meant to protect high-school football.) Any new league would have televised football all to itself on that evening.

    A new league’s biggest issue, though, is whether it really can approximate the N.F.L.’s level of play. As Daugherty puts it, “If you don’t put a good product on the field, nothing else matters.” When he first signed on, he and Brod immediately began looking into that question — and they came away convinced they could land decent players right away, and very good players eventually.

    “Bill Walsh used to tell me that the last 20 players cut from every team were almost interchangeable with the last 20 players to make the team,” Hambrecht says. The new league will hire the best of those last 20 players — along with the best of the Arena players, the Canadian Football League players and so on. Though the U.F.L. will have a salary cap, it will be able to pay those players more than they are making now. It won’t be able to afford to sign marquee names like Peyton Manning or the biggest stars coming out of college, obviously. But the U.F.L. will be able to offer most rookies, who aren’t top draft choices, far more money than the N.F.L. would give them. And since the N.F.L. salary cap has been negotiated with the players’ union, it can’t be unilaterally changed.

    “The average career of an N.F.L. player is less than four years,” Daugherty says. “They have a huge incentive to maximize their income.” The new league’s officials think they’ll be able to sign players drafted by the N.F.L. in the second round and later. And one former N.F.L. coach I spoke to — who asked not to be named because he didn’t want people to know he had spoken to the U.F.L. — agreed. “They are going to be able to get players and coaches,” he said. “That’s not going to be a problem.” It’s also worth remembering that many late-round draft choices are good football players. Tom Brady, for instance, was a sixth-round draft choice.

    As U.F.L. executives see it, there has really only been one competing league that took the approach they want to take: the old American Football League. The A.F.L. played “11 on 11” football in the fall, mostly in cities where the N.F.L. did not. Its founder, Lamar Hunt, pioneered the concept of revenue-sharing and built a unified league with the staying power to last nine years before it merged with the N.F.L. That is the model the new league wants to emulate. Whether the ultimate goal is to merge with the N.F.L. or play alongside it — well, that’s the one place Hambrecht wasn’t going to go with me. “We’ll just see how it plays out,” he said.

    When I asked Roger Noll, a sports economist at Stanford University, whether it is possible to compete with the N.F.L., he laughed, but he didn’t scoff. “The crucial barrier to entry is finding stadiums in the biggest cities,” he replied — something U.F.L. executives insist is not a problem in the places they are considering. “If you can do that, it would be easy to have a league.” Noll pointed out that for wealthy people who want to own a football team, it is far cheaper to start a new league than to try to land an expansion team — which, assuming that the N.F.L. were interested, would cost upward of $800 million. “You need to have enough money to experience losses that will amount to 20 to 30 percent of revenue in the first three or four years,” he said. It’s much cheaper to lose money over that time than to purchase an N.F.L. franchise.

    When we met, Hambrecht said: “A guy asked me, ‘Why are you doing this?’ ” He shrugged. “I had trouble explaining, except that it made logical sense.” On paper, it does. Whether it plays out that way in real life — who can say? But it’ll be fun to watch. Bill Hambrecht ventures usually are.
     
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    This one has some pretty good minds behind it, but it's going to be a hard sell, particularly because the NFL is the premiere sports league right now. There's really no glaring discontent with the NFL, despite the high number of arrests.

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    The smart part is they are starting it up like the old AFL. All that blueprint did was pave the way to a merger with the NFL. With the European league flopping, there is certainly some room in the industry. This is the type of league that Troy Smith might have landed in. There's plenty of day 2/UFA guys out there that would take the money and the chance to play. I hope it works out. I live in Vegas now and would certainly check out some games.
     
  5. Baron Samedi

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    I hope it works, the more pro-ball the better!

    I'll bet, if there is a team nearby, you can take your family to the game without getting a home equity loan, too...maybe even feed them at the game!
     
  6. Mr Electric

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    I think that Los Angeles, Memphis, Orlando, and Las Vegas are great cities to bring football too.

    This league could be successful, depending on which players are in the UFL.
     
  7. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    I'm all in favor of another league. Give more football players the chance to earn a living, and give more players playing time. Maybe we can find more diamonds in the rough who play well. It'll also be great for undersized or slow college stars.
     
  8. Mr Electric

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    Eric Crouch would dominate.
     
  9. Tennessee Jet

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    I want to preface this by saying that there is little opportunity of this scenario playing out but I find it really intriguing....

    PFT had an interesting take a few months ago about the UFL. If they are able to gain traction and attract 2nd-day talent that would (obviously) hurt the quality level of NFL teams. It might set the stage for teams that finish in the bottom of the NFL standings (say, the bottom 3 or 5) to be relegated to the UFL and the top three or five teams from the UFL be permitted to play in the NFL. This would happen on a yearly basis, making just about every game important and far more interesting.

    Basically, its the Priemeship model but what makes it more intriguing is that there is a salary cap so teams can't buy their way to success (a la Man U). Could you imagine watching the next three games and wondering if the Jets were about to fall into the UFL! Oh man!

    Obviously there are a lot of issues like the ability of current UFL teams to compete in the NFL, draft complications, etc... But it would be fun.
     
  10. Beamen

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    I sure hope it works out....

    The way I see it, the more pro leagues there are, the more opportunities for guys like myself, looking for an outside shot at getting paid for what they do.... A league like this would probably claim some of the better Arena and CFL talent, thereby opening the doors for some of us semi-pro Schmos, putting our health on the line every week for almost no cash, or often for free, to get into those leagues......
     

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