This is the one thread I would have thought had been started by now. We were all screaming our heads off about it in the Game forum yesterday. So here it is.. MM/Rex guys? You're not gonna like this.. What The Fuck is up with these trick plays? Why do we kill our own momentum time and again with these gimmicks? Who is confused by it? We are that's who. Certainly not the opposition as they just stop most of them in their tracks wait for the next play which usually is 2 or 3 and distance. This shit all started with Tebow and Sparano. We were rolling along until Rex somehow fell in love with the WildCat after seeing Miami run it. The along comes MM, known among other things in Philly for being just a bit pass happy and what do we have now? The age of the Trick Play. Is it really worth killing our momentum just to get Vick a single snap? Do we really have to play 10 against 11 just to prove how innovative we are? Who's idea is it to do these things anyway.. MM's? If so, he needs his ass kicked. The timing of these gimmick plays usually sucks too. We do it in the RedZone where we're not exactly models of efficiency. We do them when Geno hits a rhythm and starts to shred defenses. We do them at the most inopportune times imaginable. Case in point. Why was Sudfield the intended target or even on the field? Where was Cumberland, a more experienced TE almost identical in size?. You think maybe Cumberland would have been better prepared to bat that ball away? A better question is, what the fck is MM thinking? We all blasted Schotty for being too smart for his own good. MM is headed down that road too at this rate. Rex needs to just shut down the WildCat or at most, perhaps once a game pull the gimmick out of a hat. Cmon Jets. Time to get our shit together and knock off the gimmick plays. Memo to Rex: You're the boss and you're gonna be held accountable (we hope) for whatever happens this season. Time for this team to get its head out of its ass and start playing smarter football. Same goes for the CS.
The Vick stuff was pointless and terrible, I'm not going to argue that. But the Jets need to do SOMETHING to get a running game going against real defenses with a QB that is apparently unable to take snaps from under center. Handing off from the shotgun or pistol takes waaaaayyy too much time to develop and gives the defense time to adjust, and pretty much whenever Geno is under center they stack the box like it's a goal line stand because they KNOW it's a run. They had some success with the inverted wishbone last week and this week they had a nice read toss to Kerley, but for the most part they abandoned the trickery. I'd argue that more intelligent trickery is needed, because I'm not sure that Geno is capable of a classic WCO like Marty is used to orchestrating.
How do we know Geno can't consistently take a snap from center? I watched a lot of philly when Marty was the OC there, and it seemed like they were in the shotgun all day long, just like us. I agree though, hard to consistently run out of the shotgun (although, we have managed at times)
Rex thinks it's worth doing because it takes away from the main preparation in regards to the opponent. Each time the opponent plays a Jets Wildcat tape it's used for entertainment more than likely. Fucking stop using it already.
It's a waste of a down. I'm sick of it. I mean does any other team run the wildcat? And it's not like the offense was so bad yesterday.
That's a good point, I haven't seen hard evidence in the offseason or the past 2 games that he CAN'T - because he hasn't been in that situation (passing) for more than 3 or 4 plays. But what would be easier for Marty? Passing plays from under center or running plays from the shotgun, pistol, inverted wishbone, read option and faux wildcat? Also, I want to clarify. Geno can physically take snaps from center and he can also execute running plays from under center. What I am talking about is footwork and progressions from under center, and accuracy, and pocket presence.
The problem with it is its being run once a game. Its Tebow-like in that sense. The team cant expect a cold Vick to come in and deliver in the only chance he's gonna get. If your gonna run it , run it like you did with Brad Smith. The trickery aspect of it is the shit that needs to stop.
Vick doesn't even seem to want to be on the field after these plays. He just walks back to the sideline slump-shouldered shaking his head.
I mean it definitely is logical to surmise that Geno probably struggles with some of that stuff considering the college offense he came from. I would love to know what the deal is with that. All I know is, it seemed like every time I watched Vick in Philly, he was in the gun (seems true for Any Reid offenses in general, I notice the same thing with KC). It would be interesting to see Geno try and run a more conventional offense and see how he fares.
I don't blame him. They are asking him to play quarterback in several one play bursts a game. He's cold, not in rhythm, and is thrown onto a field and surrounded by guys who have been on the field for 30+ plays a game to play a position that requires instantaneous decision-making and composure. It makes no fucking sense. Don't they chart these plays? They don't work. I get mad every time I think about how retarded it is.
Vick is done,might as well call the priest and read him his last rights,his NFL starting carrer is dead and buried ,get over it.
Yeah, agree with the OP. These trick plays are retarded, and 9 times out of 10 they seem to work against us. I am also just unhappy with the playcalling in general. We spend a second round pick on Amaro, who actually seems to play well and have good hands, and then we pretty much ignore him the first 2 regular season games. Cumberland did some serious damage early last season on deep routes, again, mostly ignored last game. Instead, most passing plays seem to be targetted at Decker and Kerley, and because they are smaller guys, require a lot more accuracy. Wasn't the point of getting these tight ends to make it easier for Geno? They are also using CJ way too much in standard running plays, where he isn't very effective at all. Why not pound the ball downhill with Ivory instead, who is much stronger and at this point, might be just as fast. If you are gonna use CJ or Powell, why not throw more screens and dump offs? Yesterday's game, the Packers D was overplaying the run on most running plays, and it looked like if Geno kept the ball and faked the hand off, he could run for miles. But they didn't do that for most of the game.
Because he knows it's bullshit. He'd be happy to start but he's not interested in occupying the Tim Tebow role. Nor should he be. My view is that 2014, for Geno Smith, it should be about seeing whether he's worth developing / building around. I think your concern is whether he'll be able to pass at an "NFL caliber" level from under center. My concern is- can he even be good playing out of the shotgun? So that's all I want on his plate for 2014. Handicap the running game. Telegraph the under-center plays. We're not winning the Super Bowl this year anyway. Let's find out if we have a real quarterback first. If we do, then okay - in the offseason, have Smith spend time with a "QB guru", where he can spend a few hours a day taking snaps under center, working on his footwork, watching tape of that, correcting it, etc. Then in 2015 we can take the training wheels off and maybe half the time he lines up under center, it's actually a passing play. But for now, I think the focus needs to be on whether his strength is actually strong enough. I don't think the goal should be to try to make him an under-center QB. He's always going to be a shotgun QB, and there are "elite" ones, so it's not like that would handicap him. What does handicap him is if he can't play competently under center, because then you hurt the running game. For me, that's more of a long term thing- something to worry about only if he shows promise playing under center. We want him to focus on that so that this year so that we can get a better sense of his ceiling. Then in 2015 you take the training wheels off, or you find a new QB.
I loved the way they utilized B Smith. He could run it or throw it equally well. The guy was dynamic as hell, plus when he was on the field as WR he was a very real threat. When Sanchez/Vick/Geno are lined up wide, it's a waste. And Smith was a guy that was just happy to be on the field. Using the WC with guys like Tebow and Vick is crazy - they don't want to come off the field...
That was just it, with Brad Smith it was a threat because he was such a multi talented weapon. He returned kicks, he could run out of the backfield, he could throw he could catch. You never knew what he was going to do when he had the ball in his hands. He is one that I wish we would have held on to.
Not to bitch about trick plays but wasnt that one TD a trick play? when they went around the left side for major yards? was it even a TD? idk but it was the biggest play of the game, cant remember what exactly sparked it though.
I'm not saying the guy should be a strictly under center quarterback, far from it. But he should be able to do it at maybe a 20-30% click, because otherwise there is no way to sell the running game against a good defense without bullshit trick plays. I'm looking at the game on a rewatch tomorrow, but I'll go ahead and state that I don't think they gained more than 3 yards on an under center handoff all game and the shotgun and pistol handoffs weren't much more successful. We'll never know if he is a good quarterback if teams always defend the run well and they always know the UC snaps are a run, and GB showed that. The offense is not effective in a WCO because of his likely limitations. You will never realistically know what he can do because of that. They should be trying to implement a spread. There, I said it. Fuck the WCO. We don't have the QB for it. If he's going to be taking snaps 3 yards deep every pass, they need to design an offense to be able to take attention away from his weaknesses. And the WCO terminology is so fucking retardedly complex that you can tell a lot of players are out of position on a lot of plays. If that means getting rid of Marty M after the season, then so be it. Teams should only use certain influences of that offense. Using it as a base is as antiquated as "ground and pound." I feel like our team should be wearing leather helmets sometimes.
