When everyone gets all upset about people proposing the idea of trading UP to grab Leinart, they are upset because we will be losing other picks. Does everyone realize that we do not have to fill every single hole this offseason? From the FO's perspective, they are looking at the next 2-3 years to build their team and get better. Considering, as the FO surely is, that we will have an average season at best next year, we will be in decent draft position again next year. As long as they have good reasoning and belief that Leinart (or whoever they want to pick) is worth giving up say, Mangold, then they are going to do it. Even if they want to get back into the first round, it is worth giving up a few later round picks to move up AGAIN. We have several good draft picks this year and they hold a lot of power. Most people are still probably going to disagree but I really think the FO is going to try to make a move up if they think Leinart is that valuable. Afterall, a QB is indeed the position to build a team around. And yes, I apologize, but I did start a new thread covering this topic. Please, if you don't like it, all you have to do is ignore it.
Before we traded for Ramsey I wasn't completely against trading up. My thoughts right now? Trading up = very bad move
I would be more upset because we just signed ramsey. Give him a year first to see if he's the real deal. If he's a dud, draft a qb in 07.
Actually it is a VERY BAD Idea. we can go into this season with penny and ramsey and if we stick it up again then we can get a qb in '07
True, I would say that is a valid point. BUT, I really think that the FO is not messing around with Pennington. If he doesn't impress them MORE than enough then I strongly believe he will be cut next year.
you said it right there, IF they think that, I think the people objecting to it (including myself) aren't just objecting to the idea of losing picks, I question Leinart's value AND I don't want to give up what I think we'd have to give up to get him. I've said it before, they want to take our 4th rounder, maybe our 3rd, then sure why not, but thats it. Why pay more when they want to trade down, when trading down may very well get them the same player they would choose at 2. Plus nobody else is going to trade up. So we have all the leverage. I would pay a significant price to go to #1 for Bush. Furthermore, your last statement is generally accepted but is it actually true. Look at the QB's that get to the SB, lots of non-stars while the best QB's in the league stay home.
I can actually somewhat aggree with this. I can understand the need to fill our needs by stockpiling picks this year, but it's my guess we won't be in the running for the Superbowl this season. So if you guys are content with passing up on a possible franchise caliber quarterback so we can stockpile picks and maybe have a .500 season just so your buddies at work don't make fun of you, then fine and dandy. To me 8-8 is another shitty season. To me another season without a ring is a shitty season. So if the bowl ain't our goal we should get the best talent we could possibly get our sticky little hands on. That means trading up if we have to.
We've got two former first round picks and a third stringer who saw significant playing time and made tremendous progress towards the end of the year. Unless Mangini is absolutely convinced that one of these QBs coming out of the draft is the messiah (Vince Young) then he shouldn't bother wasting a pick to trade up.
I agree that it will take more than 1 year to build this team into a contender, but I dont think that means that we need to trade up to get a QB. I think we should keep our picks, build up or OL and defense and maybe even grab a rb, if one should fall that we like, with our draft picks. Then, next year we should grab a QB if Chad or Ramsey dont work out. Our OL will be more experienced to protect a young QB if we had to draft one next year. We could also acquire a QB thru FA next year if we had to. Does anyone know of any QBs that will be FAs next year?
If we could move up from # 4 to get Fergeson without giving up more than our third rounder I would consider it. There is no way I would part with # 29, # 35, or our first pick next year to move up from # 4. The names Dwayne Robertson, Blair Thomas, and Johnny Lam Jones should be enough reason to be careful about moving up.
There is no way to move up anywhere without giving up the 2nd rounder we have. Thats what will be demanded because most teams will be giving up the 1st and 2nd and another pick this year to get in front of us. It IS a BAD IDEA!!! Ellis
Not trying to call you out or anything but to me that's gutless. Don't keep looking at the past to justify what you're gonna do now. Sooner or later the football gods are going to smile upon us. It better be before I die though...
We've got 5 picks in the first three rounds (in a very very deep draft). Not only are one of those picks in the top 4, but we've also got another first rounder, and select high in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. This is the perfect opportunity to rebuild this team. There is absolutely no reason to trade up.
firstly i think its a valid argument either way,especially when yuo consider the crap-shoot of it all so i dont think anyone should call anyone else stupid for their opinion on the matter.....i think what the front office needs to do is compare as best you can this years draft and what will be there next year...of course thats tough since its hard enough to judge this years talent no less whats gonna be there next year....but at least as far as qb's go we know whats here this year and we know whats gonna be ther next year(except for the jay cutler of next year that noone knows about now)...so what am i saying here???haha oh yeah...i think the front office thinks they need a qb....i think ramsey was thought of as a stop-gap if penny cant play and if we draft a qb who wont be ready...so i dont think you should change your opinion on drafting a qb because of the ramsey signing...if the f.o thinks leinart is the real deal and hes better or should i say the better risk..than anyone coming out next year,then i think trading up is the way to go....use the rest of our picks possibly o-line since those spots could probably be filled with later round picks.....and obviously if they think qbs will be around next year that have great potential as well then trading up for leinart this year would be silly....
1st.....No need to apoligize for nothing. 2nd...Trading up is the worst move Jets' can do. 3rd....Trading down & staying in top-14 + getting more picks is very good move 4th....Drafting Vince Young if available is best move of all :martin:
thats for the curtis martin mention run n gun lol... I agree that we should either stay at #4 and take d'brick if we can or whoever else. But not Vince Young
I disagree. The jets do not need to trade up. The amount that we would have to pay in order to move up 2 freakin spots is an outrage! The way I see it we have the upper hand because at 2 there is going to be an elite prospect as well as at 4. Who else would move up to the saints 2 to draft the guy they covet? Maybe the Raiders to draft Young, but for the Saints they can't fall down the board to much or they will lose the guy they covet. Tangini should just keep their 2 first round picks and draft the best players on their board for this team. I understand we don't have to do it all in one draft but why give up two solid first round selections for 1 spot 2 slots higher. The Jets should learn from their mistakes in the past with Dewayne and stay where they are at.
No it is not a bad idea. If this FO thinks Leinart could be the franchise QB to build the team around than it is a no brainer decision.. Everyone just assumes that we are gonna have to give up our 29 pick. I say don't be so sure.. NO is gonna want to stay in the top 5 which leaves us and Tenn as possibilities. The Giants gave up a 3rd & 5th in that draft plus there #1 the follwing year to move up to #1. We need to go to #2 to a team thats top 2 targets could both be there at 4.. If we offered a 3rd & 4th this year with a mid round pick next year, I'm not so sure Tenn would top that to move up ONE spot..Now would NO take less than the value chart to move down a couple spots, get the guy they want anyway and pick up a couple extra picks in the process. I think they consider it, and for us that trade would be a no brainer. You get the clear cut top rated Qb in the draft, still have the 29 &your high 2nd.
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. My point is not to say that we will not succeed. I used those examples to demonstrate that the players that some Jet fans want to trade up for may ultimately be no better than the players we can land in the 9 - 14 range.
ok seriously trading up is idiotic, how often do we have a top 5 pick with yet another first rd pick i feel very good having 3 of the first 36 players on this team. and thats what we need we can all pretend to be draft guru's but by the end of the day i'd rather roll three dice than give away two and just roll one LARGE dice. theres enough people waiting for us to fail, lets not do it by making 1 wrong decision, lets at least do it by making alot of bad ones, keep the tradition going :shit:
