who are your top 3 players to go after for the first 3 rounds? Your top choice is the player you would select in that round while the other two choices are back-ups in case the first one is gone. I'll start. ROUND 1 1. Odell Beckham Jr. (LSU, WR) -- great fit for our offense, quickly becoming a favorite of mine in the draft class. 2. Eric Ebron (North Carolina, TE) -- might not be available, but still love the player. 3. Brandin Cooks (Oregon State, WR) -- another great fit for our offense. ROUND 2 1. Jimmie Ward (Northern Illinos, S) -- great overall safety 2. Troy Niklas (Notre Dame, TE) -- TE is a need and I think Niklas is a top 3 one. 3. Dee Ford (Auburn, OLB) -- more wishful thinking than anything, would probably have to trade up for him. ROUND 3 1. C.J. Fiedorowicz (Iowa, TE) -- huge target, might be a project but TE is a need. 2. Marcus Martin (USC, C/G) -- played both center and guard, OLine is needed. 3. Zach Mettenberger (LSU, QB) -- a legit competitor to Geno
Round 1 1. Mike Evans - Probably no chance he falls but him and Sammy are the only receivers I want in the top 20. 2. Eric Ebron - monster tight end and would add a new dimension to our offense. 3. Marquise Lee - I wouldn't mind Lee here only because I won't be able to stand seing our defensive minded head coach take another defensive player in the first round Round 2 1. Jace Amaro - not sure if he falls this far but he would be a beast. 2. Kyle Van Noy - he's monster on the field yet his stock his dropping because of his combine numbers. 3. Jordan Matthews - flat out can catch the ball Round 3 1. Jarvis Landry - would be a steal 2. Charles Sims- do it all back 3. Dri Archer - SPEED
Round 1: 1. Eric Ebron, TE, UNC 2. Marqise Lee, WR, USC 3. Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State Obviously, if someone rated extremely high falls (Lewan, Gilbert.etc), you'd have to consider them. Round 2: 1. Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State 2. Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame 3. Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington Round 3: Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech Ed Reynolds, S, Stanford Gabe Jackson, G, Mississippi State
I'm only going to list players that I think possibly will be available at those spots. I'm also gonna list 5 players for each round just because. Round 1 1. Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State 2. Marqise Lee,WR, USC 3. Mark Lewan, OT, Michigan 4. Dee Ford, OLB, Auburn (if they trade down a bit) 5. Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville (if they trade down) Round 2 1. (tie) ASJ, TE, Washington or Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech 2. Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt 3. Davante Adams, WR, Fresno St. 4. Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame 5. Jimmie Ward, S, Northern Illinois Round 3 1.Brandon Thomas, OG, Clemson (if he drops) 2. Dakota Dozier, OG, Furman 3. Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin 4.Charles Sims, RB, WVA 5. Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska
Round 1 1. Eric Ebron 2. Marquise Lee 3. Brandin Cooks Round 2 1. Jordan Matthews 2. Jeremiah Attaochu 3. Austin Seferian-Jenkins Round 3 1. Chris Borland 2. Ed Reynolds 3. Dri Archer
Round 1 Ebron TE Evans WR Benjamin WR Cooks WR Beckham WR Round 2 Jean-Baptiste CB Adams WR JuWaun James OT Seferian-Jenkins TE Van Noy OLB Round 3 Jimmy Ward S Demarcus Lawrence OLB Jarvis Landry WR Allen Robinson WR Troy Niklas TE
I won't list players I don't think will be available...Example Ebron & Evans in Rd 1 and J Matthews and Jimmy Ward in Rd 2. Rd 1) Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State Odell Beckham, WR, LSU Marqise Lee, WR, USC Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville Darqueze Dennard, CB, MSU Rd 2) Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State Joel Bitonio, OT/G, Nevada Deone Buchanan, S, Washington State Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU Stanley Jean Baptiste, CB, Nebraska Rd 3) Jared Abberderis, WR, Wisconsin Jeremiah Attaocha, OLB, Georgia Tech Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina Robert Herron, WR, Wyoming Davonta Freeman, RB, FSU Shayne Skov, LB, Stanford
Round 1 Cooks Beckham Lee Round 2 Benjamin (he'll almost def be gone) Davante Adams Jordan Matthews Round 3 Niklas Fiedorowicz Baptiste Attaochu Reynolds Borland
As great as it would be no way does Attaochu make it to the third round. I think we should seriously preparing though for the possibility of going defense 1st round. If Dee Ford, HaHa, etc. fall I don't think we pass them up. Would love Davante Adams in the 2nd though.
Yeah it's a longshot for sure. I like Adams too but I'd much rather go Cooks in the first round (instant impact playmaker) and then grab Attaochu in the 2nd. If we go WR's with our first two picks (Cooks and Adams) then I'd like to see them take Baptiste, Borland or Reynolds in the 3rd.
ROUND 1 1. Anthony Barr (OLB, UCLA) OLB is a need, and despite a strong D-line we have no speed rusher. Barr if he falls will likely be BPA, and having Barr and Wilkerson playing the same edge would be a terror (think Justin Smith/Aldon Smith). 2. Mariquis Lee (WR, USC) Great fit for the system, especially with Decker taking the roll of the large possession receiver. 3. Zack Martin (OL, Notre Dame) Is the most versatile OL in the draft and could play any spot at a high level. Shut down many elite college players, including Trent Murphy and Van Noy. 4. Darqueze Dennard (CB, Michigan State) A beast in man to man coverage. ROUND 2 1. Jordan Matthews (WR, Vanderbilt) 2. Jace Amaro (TE, Texas Tech) 3. Kyle Van Noy (OLB, BYU) ROUND 3 1. Troy Niklas (Notre Dame, TE) -- An above average receiver and blocker. Isn't the red-zone nightmare prototypical receiving TE, but should be very effective. 2. Calvin Pryor (S, Louisville) 3. Shayne Skov (OLB, Stanford)
I doubt Pryor's still available in the 3rd. If he somehow dropped to the Jets in round 3, I'd pass on Niklas, select Pryor and hope to grab Fiedorowicz with the first of their two 4th round pick.
I'm going to cheat and do 4 rounds Round 1. Ebron, Jace, Barr. Round 2 Jordan Matthews, Van Noy, Attouchu. Round 3 Donte Moncrief, Joel Bitino (OT/OG), Zach Mettenberg. Round 4 Ej Gaines, Dion Bailey, Ahmad Dixon.
Would you please explain your fascination with Jace Amaro to me? I just don't see it. He's not smooth. He's stiff. He's not a good blocker. He's tall and seems to have good hands and is pretty fast for his size. He doesn't seem particularly tough or hard to bring down. His production comes from his offense, with most of his passes being 1-5 yards with no coverage. I think he's gonna have a tough adjustment to the NFL, and don't think he's going to be anywhere near as good in the NFL as he was in that spread offense. I really wanted to like him after I heard some of you talk about him, but the more video I watched, the less I liked him. If Idzik takes Amaro in the 1st round, unless I'm wrong and Amaro is a perennial All Pro, I'll want Idzik fired. I like Amaro that little.
amaro for me at 18 would be a reach, but I wouldn't mind him with a trade down. I'm not really concerned about his blocking ability, or even how hard he is to bring down after catching the ball. Blocking is less and less important in the modern game for a TE than his ability to create mismatches. With Amaro's size and speed he'll force whoever is covering him to step back a few paces, that extra ground is equivalent to a decent to good block when it's combined with at least a reasonable chip block. I'm also not convinced he'll be a bad blocker with some coaching, in his system he wasn't asked to block a lot so it's really difficult to get an accurate gauge how good he can be at it. I like his hands and the fact he's a big target, I'm not overly concerned how hard he is to bring down once he has the ball, if opposing teams put a LB on him he'll likely have good separation, if they put a Safety on him he'll have a size and weight advantage to make the catch and pick up a few yards anyways. At this point in time with TE's in the way the game is set up currently in terms of rules and how open it's made the passing game a TE's hands and ability to make mismatches far exceeds his ability to block. This mismatch is especially valuable inside the redzone. Lets face it, in todays NFL a TE is more of a receiving weapon than it's ever been in the past, and that's largely due to all the rule changes over the past 20 years or so. The one thing I don't know about Amaro is how well he handles being jammed at the line on his routes.
Thanks for your response. I am concerned about blocking ability, because I'm certain that both Rex and MM are since the Jets like to run the ball a lot. Thus, blocking is gonna be key for the Jets' TE. The point you bring up about getting jammed at the line is an important one, and imo is related to blocking. If he's not a willing or effective blocker, more than likely, he's not gonna be good at defeating jams at the LOS, either. Also, why go with a TE that's questionable in that area, and may be just a 1 way TE when there are a couple of good 3-way TEs available in ASJ, Nicklas and Fiedorowicz. All three have the same size, would present the same great Red Zone targets, are good receivers, and are much better blockers already. Even Ebron is a better blocker, is faster, and he's also a better receiver, although he doesn't have the prototypical size I want in a TE. I think Niklas has more down field potential than either ASJ or Fiedorowicz, but would be very happy with any of the three. I think it would be a mistake to take a TE in the 1st round (even with a trade down) who isn't a complete TE and who isn't all that athletic. IMO, even though a trade down sounds good, I'd much rather take a WR (like Cooks or Beckham), Dee Ford, or Pryor after trading down than Amaro. IMO the team would be much better served doing that, and then taking one of ASJ or Niklas in the 2nd, or Fiedorowicz in the 3rd or 4th round. Heck I'd rather have Marcel Jensen or Crockett Gilmore than Amaro.
It really comes down to a question of the type of offense you want to run. I've seen and read comparisons of Amaro being similar to Hernandez without the legal issues and from what I've seen of Amaro that comparison of style of play is about right. if you're going to run a slam it down your throat offense then yes, you want a blocking TE. However, Rex has said he'd like an attacking and aggressive offense the same as they have an attacking and aggressive defense. If that's true and not just smoke then a TE like Amaro is what you want, though I do prefer Ebron there's a good chance he won't make it to 18. I'd like to see the Jets offense move towards the current rather than the past as far as offense goes and right now the best way to attack opposing defenses is by creating mismatches from the TE position.
I want Ebron so bad!!! "Former NFL scout Russ Lande is another observer who sees Graham as an apt comparison for Ebron, but Lande takes the comparison one step further -- he believes Ebron's ceiling exceeds that of Graham. "He is the best tight-end prospect I have evaluated since Kellen Winslow Jr.," Lande said. "Although many are projecting that teams like the Ravens and Jets will be interested in him, a number of NFL people I've spoken with recently believe he will be selected in the top 12, because he is a rare talent who could be better than Jimmy Graham."
Fair enough, but I don't really believe Rex, do you? He's said that before, but when the going gets tough, his asshole puckers up and he goes passive and conservative. Now that could be because of the QB he had, the OCs he's had and the lack of playmakers, but with his own obvious lack of knowledge regarding offense, and the way he shut Geno down for 3 games following the Bye week last season, I don't trust Rex with the offense. He has also said a lot of stuff in press conferences and interviews that were total bull, so I don't believe most of what comes out of his mouth.
I think Rex wants it, but it was clear last year the wheels were coming off due to an inexperienced young QB, a porous offensive line, and a lack of playmakers outside of the running backs. It's clear they brought in MM to run a more open and attacking offense. When RR first came in to head coach I do believe he thought the ground and pound was the way to go, I think he's learned over 4 or 5 seasons that a straight ground and pound doesn't cut it in todays league. Even the Seahawks, who thrive on defense, run a much more aggressive version of the "ground and pound" game by using a variance of the West coast offense short pass attack...something tight ends fit nicely into, especially receiving tight ends. But I'm not in Rex's, MM's or any of the other managements heads, nor do I talk to any of them in any way so it is all conjecture on my behalf.