New York is unlike any other market in the world. The advertisement's, the nightlife/clubs, Broadway, world class restaurants/hotels, and talk shows. There are plenty of other unique vehicles to be recognized and paid outside of a football contract. Imagine, just for one second that we in fact the New York Jets win a world championship. A franchise and fanbAse that has seen so much heartbreak. Too many "misses" on free agents, picks, and staffs. A franchise that has teased us (98, 2009, 2010, and many other years) only to crush our dreams. We are a very unique bunch of fans and would undoubtedly idolize our world champions and leaders on that team. I paint the picture because I think we deserve better. We deserve more from our star players (Revis, Mo, Fitz, Brick). Imagine if these players actually look past their contract and think of the life long endorsement's that come along with being a Jet Champion. I say this specifically to those 4 players. Mo. Be reasonable, take 11-13 for 3 years. You'll be 29 by that next contract and maybe you'll be a world champion. Pitching steakhouses, car dealerships and growing your brand. Adding millions of dollars in the process. Fitz. This is truly your best chance to win a world championship. Chan is here, Marshall, and it's shaping up to be a great defense and backfield to take some pressure off of you. Sign a team friendly 7-9M for two year gurrenteed and make another few M off of endorsements. The beard ALONE could be worth aM a year. Revis and Brick. You both have made unbelievable money your entire careers. Isnt it time to finish the journey here in NY? Brick needs to restructure that deal; period. Revis, I'm not expecting much out of you because I think you are a very short sighted individual. So many opportunities for both of these guys to make extra cash each year; even into retirement! I hope these players and agents take the possibility of making Millions more in a unique situation rather than an extra 2-3 a year in a market like KC, AZ, MN....
If my job allowed me alternate life long income potential for taking "less". I'd be all for that Truth be told, I have taken less or the same for additional responsibility. That's today's business world. When the economy slowed down most people had to do this to keep their jobs. This is the stark disconnect between these "entertainers" and the people who pay for them
I really can't imagine a scenario where Brick and Mangold don't restructure and add a year or two to their deals. Mac has to have a handshake agreement to get these deals done or else he wouldn't be sailing past the salary cap. He certainly doesn't seem short-sighted.
This is outdated thinking. What you are talking about doesn't exist anymore. With internet, TV, ESPN etc...Players can become superstars and make money with all the other unique vehicles outside their contract in any city for any team. That's why you see a Lebron James sign in Cleveland for example or why the game's biggest, more recognizable star (Aaron Rodgers) plays in cow country aka.. Green Bay, WI. Or why the NBA's biggest star plays in Oakland (Steph Curry) this isn't the 1960s where Joe Namath becomes a mega star and people don't know of Len Dawson because he plays in KC. Or where everyone knows Mickey Mantle but not Harmon Killebrew. It doesn't matter where you play. The opportunity for endorsements and fame can be had from anywhere. This statement goes for all NY teams: They need to stop that "pitch" . If you want great players you need to find them first, pay them more than everyone else, or make them want to play there because of the opportunity you bring ON THE FIELD OF PLAY. you cannot rely on the allure of NY- it doesn't matter anymore.
I like where you took this. Yes today's day and age is compeatly different. The mega stars like LBJ, Rodgers, Manning, Steph will always get the big national endorsements. I'm talking about the local and regional deals. I assume NY offers a larger local market then Indy. Take a guy like Freeny when he was in Indy. Top 5 talent at his position. I'm sure he made another 250-500K doing local commercials, speaking engagements, and other promotions. Local companies have local advertising budgets as well... What I'm saying is that in a market like NY and the tri state area, the local opportunities are greater. A guy like Brick, Fitz, And Mo can supliment their income in a large market like NY greater than in the smaller local markets. None of these guys are getting national endorsement deals. This needs to be in the equation when valuing total contact compensation....
I wish there was a way that we could pay them just enough to avoid suspicion and dump a lot of cash into these players' side businesses... EDIT: Why couldn't have a guy like Cromartie got paid 1M, then 7M to be a sponsor or in commercials for some Johnson & Johnson product like baby powder or baby wipes...
Then I disagree even more with your premise. If agents are telling their players to take less money and factor in potential endorsement deals with "Al's Flooring" then they are doing their clients a huge disservice. How much of a slap in the face would it be for the Jets to approach a Muhammad Wilkerson - "yeah, okay, look we know we can't pay you what others will. We also both know you aren't a national figure and we can't help with that. But you know there's plenty of malls in the tri-state area you could speak at. Maybe do some commercials for car dealerships..." lol - Mo would hang the phone up SO FAST
I would say the answer is because that's against league rules but Tom Brady has quite a lucrative training facility up there at Patriot Place, Foxboro, MA, so hell maybe the opportunity to bend the rules does exist
You're so quick to disregard the local advertisement dollars and distort what I'm talking about. I'll pull you back into the reality of this scenario. The jets during negotiations make the Wilkerson camp a strong offer that pays him top 10 DE money and a high gurrenteed value. They acknowledge that given the cap situation and the desire to field a championship caliber team, they can't set the market with a contract offer. They do paint a scenario that while building a championship organization the Jets have a strong chance to compete for a world title and play up the cost of being on a losing team to MO (mo sets that value, but there is a primium to play for a loser). I don't think the jets are very far away from being a title contending team personally. We resign Fitz, and add a few pieces via the draft. NE is starting to fall of the mountain and our core is getting long in the tooth (Revis, Marshall, Fitz, Harris, Mangold, Forte). We have a legitimate window in the next 2-3 years. So as I said in Mo's situation. I would sign a 3 year deal with high gurrenteed money. Factor in the "known" in NY and the potential to win a championship; makes him a figure in NY. And who the fuck is talking about speeches at malls and Al's flooring!? I'm taking about Mortons steak-house, Toyota dollars, private speaking engagements that come along with being a world champion. And with a large population in NY those allocate dollars are higher then in Minneapolis.
He's a 315 pound defensive end who excels in stopping the run and doesn't really have market appeal when it comes to advertising. If you're a top value player why not go sign for $19 million/year AND eat up the local advertising dollars. It just doesn't make sense to ever take less money unless Woody is going to slide him $4 million a year in a brown paper bag every September. You can try to rationalize it alllllll you want in trying to say "take less money you'll make it up in advertising" but that's not a selling point that works with NFL agents, hell it hasn't even worked with the posters on this forum.
So it's all about the quan???????? Show me the money!!!! It's called negotiating and playing the had your delt. Sign for 19M with the Browns, Vikes, Lions etc and chase your money then. Because none of those teams are as close to a world title as the Jets. He can't get top dollar here. Can he on the open market, sure he could have set the market this year no doubt. I'm just not all about money in life so I can't understand. I'd rather be home and happy then make XYZ million more to be on a shitty team or have a shitty job. All I'm trying to say is with a world title under his belt he has marketability for life. And in a big market like NY where he will be recognized and adored for decades he has the ability to make up lots of dollars after his playing days are over with said title in NY. It's fine we can disagree.
It's not the market at all.... it's the player. I come from the dead zone of pro sports, Portland, OR, a place so outside of the popular American mindset that one of cable most popular TV show makes fun of that fact! You have a guy does absolutely nothing to transcend this fact or create his own brand, like Lamarcus "Ya Know" Aldridge, on one hand.... and then you have Damian Lillard who oozes charisma, creates a unique marketing campaign with Adidas, on another. When Dame doesn't get selected for the All-Star team..... #thanksforthemotivation and drops 50 on Golden State. He's one of the biggest names in the NBA and he's in neckbeard land!
I mean most if not all NFL players tend to agree with my point of view. It's not about the money, it's about the limited time these guys are given to make that money and the fact that it can end in the blink of an eye (similar to how Mo's season looked to have ended so suddenly). None of us can rationalize it because most of us will work until we're 65-70 and retire with a 401k waiting for us. These guys are given 10 years at most for the better players usually (average player career span is about 3 years or so) and the NFL says make as much money as you can to last you and your family the next 40-50 years while living an extravagant lifestyle oh and pray an offensive lineman doesn't cut block your knee and kill your value in year 3. I wouldn't live a middle class lifestyle if I was making $8+ million a year and neither would you. But the fact of the matter is that this is it for a lot of players. Once they retire there is no job or skills to do any career afterwards except for the lucky .0064% that ESPN hires. They need to maximize their profit and their agents drill that point home to them.
Well next offseason I belive a lot of space opens up ,That's what people have said but I haven't looked into it
I disagree. Brick should have already retired. If Mac restructures Brick and extends him, he should be fired! Brick is hot garbage. He was one of the worst LTs in the NFL last year. There's absolutely NO WAY he should be starting for the Jets in 2017, and it would be dumb to have a bunch of dead money on the cap for him when he's no longer on the team. Brick needs to be asked to take a hefty pay cut. If he refuses, he should be cut. He should make no more than $5 million this season, if that. Similarly, Mangold has at most 2 more years. His contract should not be touched. He's been a very good Jet, but no additional money should be given him. His play is declining. This is not a win-now team. They are just seeking to be competitive while they re-shape and build the team. Where I agree is that Mac isn't short-sighted. I believe he definitely has a plan.
