I don't mean that literally... But it is time, nevertheless, to utilize the talents properly on the offense. And the talent just isn't there on the OL to open holes large enough for a pigeon to fly through. The Jets offensive strategy should be reorganized under the modus operandi used recently by pass-heavy, pass-first teams -- the Rams of recent, the Dolphins of the past, etc. Spread defenses out with four, five WR sets, and one back -- a back that can catch and doesn't need a lead blocker. S P R E A D the defense out with pass. L O O S E N the LBs up with the pass. Think a lane'll open up for Barlow? Eventually, with a large enough dose of Pass Hard, Pass First, No Mercy Sir, the lanes will creak open. It doesn't take 40 rushes a game to keep the defense honest... Our playmakers are at WR, Coles, Cotch, McCareins, Smith. At TE with Baker. We need to get the ball in their hands, quickly, and all the time. Time to go high-octane. Vertical, Horizontal, whichways, thisways, thataway. We see that Chad will get the adequate protection with the right personel, and he will make the right reads to make a play to his WR - even on the blitz. This team is not honed for a northeast style smash mouth game. They aren't big nor fast nor experienced enough. The traditional run-first to open up the pass isn't working. It won't work. The Jets are TERRIBLE on the line, and for two games this fact has been telegraphed for other teams. Pass first, Pass often to dictate to the defense, change. Dictate to them that stacking the box means you will get burned. Stack the box and we -- Chad, Laverneous, Cotch, SMith, McCareins, and Baker -- will eat you alive. This team is talented enough.
The whole game I was thinking, we have a Bill Walsh offense here. Smart quarterback, tough, fast, playmaking recievers, pass-catching tight end, small, athletic offensive line, good all-purpose back in Barlow. This offense is built for the west coast style. Not the conservative, run-oriented mess we had under Hackett, but the ball control passing game that spreads out the defense and lets receivers make big plays. I've seen a little. I like Schottenheimer's willingness to throw on third and short, and it's been successful a lot of the time. However he seemed to whimp out in a couple places, notably the posession where we went for it on 4th and inches and couldn't get anywhere. We should have done a short pass on third down there. And where were the outside runs and screens? Pennington had that nice quick sideline pass to Cotchery on that one play, which I think he called himself. We ran up the middle all day, even though there were stacking the box and blitzing the whole time. We've got to open up this offense--Chad is smart and accurate enough to make it work.
Get Steve Spurrier on a plane quick...I'm sure his "spread" style offense will work in the pros...Oh wait, it didn't...
We shouldn't run the silly Spurrier offense, but the WC offense under Montana and Young sure seemed good. McNabb's version works really well too. The Rams Playstation offense was good. The Patriots pre-Dillon pass offense was good too (and they still ran a lot of pass first offense until basically this year). We need to throw a bunch of screens to Coles and Cothery, and try to run a few more quick slants. The adjustments that were made for the 3rd and 4th quarter....we need to call games more like that from the beginning. The Patriots are still a tough team, let's beat up on the Bills next week. Maybe we can dominate them of offense.
Spurrier was completely clueless in the NFL, but as Serphnx said the pass-first offense can work. The Patriots won two Superbowls without much of a running game, though those teams had terrific defenses. If the Jets are going to win games against good teams this year they are going to have to light up the scoreboard on offense with their passing game. I think Mangini should realize this. It will be exciting to see them try at least. (exciting passing game!--winstonbiggs to thread)
In order to pass well, you need to run. In order to run well, you need to get some completions. It can't always be like today, where our running game was nonexistant while our passing was exceptional. I'm sure Mangini will be working with the O-line to figure out how our running game can get better. And hopefully Barlow will get better, and maybe Houston can make something happen.
Something people are forgetting. The run is critical to Chad's passing game. Not in the traditional "run to set up the pass sense" but to set Penny up for the fakes that he is so adept at. Without a decent running game, he can't do that. How many fakes did he run yesterday. Maybe I missed it, but my count was a whopping goose egg. Barlow needs to get all the touches. He is gaining 3 YPC. That isn't going to win him a rushing title, but it is at least enough to get opposing D's to respect that we will run the ball. The Pats had it easy yesterday. How many times were there 6 guys at the LOS ready to blitz? That cannot be allowed. If Blaylock continues to carry the ball, it will only get worse. We needed to throw some misdirections in yesterday too, to at least shake up the Pats D. I don't understand why Smith was under wraps until the very end of the game. A reverse earlier would have opened up the passing game. The RBs we have are not Pro Bowlers, but you use the tools you have and make the most of it. Yesterday, we just didn't do that. Mangini needs to take a close look at that this morning, and get Schotty to change some of the offensive gameplan.
There were plenty of playfakes in there yesterday, which were set up by the commitment to the run even when it wasn't gaining yards.
yea maybe we can hire mike leach from texas tech...chad wont hold up the whole season if he has to pass that much...he'll get crushed from being hit so much, and if not, his right arm will fall off from throwing too many passes...once the running game gets goin, it opens up the pass...we at least have to commit to the run a little bit, if only to keep the defense honest
Absolutely. For the people in the stands booing everytime the Jets ran the ball and screaming to pass every down, remember what happened right before the half when the Jets were in a situation to pass every down. The Pats teed off and blitzed the hell out of the Jets and they got negative yardage on 2 out of 4 plays.
if we abandon the run we'll be looking at last years offense. granted, penny looks good out there; but I believe some of his succedss comes from the fact no matter how bad our YPC is, we still run. so the DC cant just tell his guys to key in on the pass. i definitely understand the logic though. more screens and slants maybe some quick skinny posts. but for now our offense looks alot better than we expected (even with the anemic running game) lets just hope we can stay injury free.
We failed on a lot of short 3rd downs, 3rd and 2 a couple of times, 3rd and 3, 3rd and 1. Most of them were batted or incomplete passes because we don't have a running game to trust at the moment, and when we tried the run it didn't work. The good thing is we're able to set up short 3rd downs, if we can do that all year we'll convert more than not.
Well at least we agree on this! :wink: :beer: Amazing how no one ever seems to get that you HAVE to run the ball. Whether it works or not. Besides, it's not like this is the Herm days where the run was used to set up the run. (And no, that wasn't a typo.)
The question I have is where is champ69? I figured he'd be all over the board by now. Maybe he'll make a positive thread about Nugent this week, since that was obviously his focus for this season. :grin:
I ask you: WHY? If the Air attack is so vastly superior to the run (And it clearly is at this point), then why does the run have to be "established"?? Why not build an offensive attack based upon short passes, instead of handing off? A guy like Larry Centers made a career ouf of this, and under the right situations, it might work. Think about how many times the Jets have used a 2-back formation out of the shot gun, with Chad throwing the HB screen for 6-8 yards. I am not saying that the Jets should "abandon" the run, but build an attack based primarily with passing, and utilizing the run in key situations.
