Thoughts on Prospects in Bowl Games

For some reason Lee reminds me of Holmes... Injury problems, similar size, seems like he has that "me" attitude, big time playmaker, but Im not sure if he can be a true #1 WR.

As for Carr, I would take him in a heart beat if he was there at our pick.

 

not sure about that part, but yeah he's similar to holmes in a lot of on field ways at least. you aren't the first to mention that.

I haven't seen enough of Carr to get a read on him.

edit: scratch that, ANOTHER shotgun QB? pass, hard pass. While its not an insurmountable trait we don't need to go through this two years in a row, ultimate redundancy.

 

Carr can read a defense pre-snap, make adjustments at the line, actually go through progressions, has improved his footwork a ton, has a better arm, is more accurate.... Carr is MUCH better than Geno was. And I actually liked Geno.

Being a shotgun QB isnt the true ruling of a QB. Sure, Id rather him come from a pro style offense, but there's certainly other traits that can be evaluated. Go watch him instead of classifying him as shotgun QB.

 

Geno's massive flaw that teams are feeding off of is his inability to go through reads. He simply cant do it. Even on his good plays, its usually to his first read. You cant succeed in the NFL like that, and I am certainly not confident its something he can fix with time.

Carr can actually go through reads- he has a high football IQ.

 

Great post, well said.

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Carr will face the same issue that every young NFL QB faces at the start of his career. His time to make a decision will be cut dramatically and he'll be facing better defensive backs, particularly better safeties, than he did in college.

Geno's flaw is pretty obvious but when you hear the great QB's of today talking about their first season or two the thing that stands out is how little time they had to makes decisions and how rarely their targets were wide open the way they had been in college.

If you think Carr is going to walk in and look like Tom Brady circa 2010 you're going to be very disappointed. He's going to stare really hard at his primary read on the play and then at best switch over to his best receiver if the primary read is not open. On a lot of plays the primary read and the best receiver are going to be one and the same and boom he's out of luck if the guy isn't open for him.

Now and then you get a guy who just naturally has the ability to make good fast decisions right off the bat, but those guys are few and far between. Most young QB's struggle with their first exposure to the NFL.

 

What is it with you Bradway? Why do you hate on EVERY QB prospect? Obviously Carr will not walk in here and be Tom Brady. NO ONE expects that from a QB, especially a rookie. Hoping they can come in here and at least show the basic skills (physically, and more importantly, mentally) to succeed in the future. Geno has not showed that at all.

He has shown his inability to read a defense, get off his primary read (which was a MAJOR flaw in college- Cossell termed the phrase "slow eyes" because of him). He also has been pretty inaccurate and doesnt have a real internal clock.

It sounds like you are just making excuses for Geno, and saying that other [better] QB prospects will have the same problem. I used to think you were one of the more better, and reasonable posters. Dont lose sight of what we need at the QB position. Our future there is not on our roster.

 

Pretty inaccurate is a little bit of an understatement. You would think a guy who played with short receivers in College wouldn't overthrow so many balls on the pro level.

 

Carr played in a gimmicky offense against inferior commission. I would not want any part of him.

 

excited to see bortles shoot it out against baylor on new year's day. reminds me of marino with running ability.

 

Because he is a Geno fanboi and cannot stand the thought of even a discussion of us picking anyone to compete with his savior.

He wants us to draft a developmental guy in the 12th round out of Central Akron State to "compete" but all he wants is Geno with no competition.

And he questions why folks question is obvious agenda.

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I'm pretty sure it was an 18 percent commission, that is not inferior.

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You obviously are unaware that Derek Carr played in a pro-style offense his first two years in college with Pat Hill - before he got fired.

 

One year, and he put up normal numbers against the WAC.

I'm not a fan of Carr at all. I think any team drafting him in the first round is making a mistake. I admit, I need to watch more take off him. But my first impression is 2nd to 3rd round talent

 

So you haven't really watched him, you're just going by stats?

Btw, Geno was a 2nd and Glennon was a 3rd and Carr is better than both of them.

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Actually, if you've read my posts you'd understand my position that his stats are meaningless to m e. I've seen 4 fresno games this year. In one of them, he threw the ball 73 times. In the bowl game, against a good BCS defense, he looked very underwhelming. Have you seem all his games this year?

You claim that Carr is a better prospect than Geno and Glennon. That's your opinion. My assertion is that he is not a first round prospect. After I watch a few more games and the all star game, I'll have a better feeling.

Btw, you are coming off real douchey just because someone doesn't share the same assessment of a player as you.

 

I recommend checking out some game-tape of him, not the highlights obviously.

Look at how he adjusts plays at the LOS, he goes through progressions, has a lighting quick release and a strong arm.

 

I'm definitely going to, probably not until after the all star games.

Last year I watched extensive film on Nassib and Dysert. I came away with the same impression on both: they were way over valued prior to the draft because they are QBs.

Right now, that's how I feel about Carr. My opinion can change, obviously, with the more research I do and the workouts he has.

As of today, I only have Bridgewater as a sure fire, can't miss, qb prospect.