Thoughts and Prayers Department

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  1. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    It's happened again and nobody seems to care, or even take notice any longer. It's been over twelve hours since a 25 year old bank employee shot up a conference room and killed as many as six people and wounded more, including a couple of cops before being killed in the confrontation without a mention here. Blah, blah, blah.

    Time for the politicians to emerge with their required "thoughts and prayers" speeches, a few days of headlines and a short period while everybody who wants to be on the news yaps their own point of view but takes no action to curb such episodes. Just forget about it until the next mass murder happens - and it surely will.
     
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  2. Acad23

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    What would you suggest be done?

    Because I know what I would do.
     
  3. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    So tell us.
     
  4. Petrozza

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    Mental health is a huge problem in this country but nothing is being done about it :(
     
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  5. Acad23

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    I'd start by banning assault weapons... or at the very least keep them out of the hands of Democrats.
     
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    Your turn.
     
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    ... and I'd prohibit gun manufacturers and gun groups from donating money to politicians.
     
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    Your turn.
     
  9. Ralebird

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    Both sound good, weapons of war have no place in a civil population (I'm not counting the tongue in cheek qualifier) but we can't even get there until there is an honest conversation across party lines that starts by acknowledging that there is a problem and that problem will not be solved by increasing the amount of prayer or firepower. We need to be honest enough with each other to recognize there is a difference between control or regulation of guns and banning them, to include the understanding that a domino theory leading to confiscation is nonsense.

    Red flag laws need to be widespread and workable - we cannot reasonably conclude the writers of the Constitution had the mentally impaired in mind when writing the second amendment. The same with waiting periods. Ghost guns and homemade guns need to be eliminated at a time when their proliferation is becoming easier. Until anything that could fall under the category of ghost guns arose virtually all but weapons smuggled into the US were legitimately manufacture or imported. The big problem has been the transfer of those guns to people disqualified from owning them.

    Anyone involved in such a transfer needs to be held accountable for any crimes committed by those who gain possession of such weapons therefore a chain of custody needs to be established for every weapon - call it registration if you wish. We have had vehicle registration and titling laws for over a century that allow the tracking of vehicles used in committing crimes - is it not logical to have the same for firearms?
     
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  10. Jonathan_Vilma

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    I doubt red flag laws would’ve stopped this dude from getting a gun and unfortunately a handgun probably would’ve done what he wanted to do which was kill his former colleagues.

    I suggested bi-weekly six month training courses with rotating instructors who are trained to flag any sort of behavioral issues. It shouldn’t be a big price to pay for folks who want to own AR-15’s.

    The danger in a lot of deep dives into internet profiles and such is the objectivity of the government decided who can and can’t own a gun and what their basis is. I’m not opposed to it. But you can’t create a system that allows one side of the aisle to load up on them because they never get flagged. Both of the last two as an example were very clearly on the left.
     
  11. Br4d

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    Almost anybody can turn into a mass shooter under the right circumstances. It just is what it is.

    If nukes were legal we'd have a mushroom cloud going up somewhere over the USA twice a week.
     
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  12. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Nukes don’t cost $1.299.00.

    And I firmly disagree with the first part but I do think it’s an interesting question - are shooters like that born or made?
     
  13. Dierking

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    Red flag laws are great until some Neanderthal starts complaining about how they’re “being weaponized against your political opponents.”

    It’s the ordnance, stupid.
     
  14. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Yeah because we’ve never seen that in the United States.
     
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    How do you red flag someone with no red flags? Unless, the red flags come from more mental health attention . Most of these mass shooters are a surprise to those around them.
     
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    Are dogs that bite born or raised?
     
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    Red flag laws open Pandora's box... For instance, let's say I don't like my neighbor and I know they have guns, I'll just red flag him out of spite. Let those f*ckers spend thousands on lawyers to get their guns back...
    Same can apply to estranged spouses, etc., etc.

    P.S. and who's gonna decide if a person is mentally ill enough or not? We have politically motivated judges, who are supposed to be impartial. I bet there are plenty of doctors who are liberal enough to declare anyone with a gun mentally ill.
     
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  18. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Human’s brains allow for the ability to reason beyond survival instincts. So equating us to animals is quite silly.
     
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    that's not practical. the instructors are the biggest gun nuts out there and they are not psychiatrist types.
     
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  20. Jonathan_Vilma

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    There would have to obviously be a large investment in training of such folks along some sort of mental health professionals. I’m not sure of the logistics but I don’t see how it’s unreasonable. As soon as someone gets flagged in such training, an internet background check is triggered and if a lot of these profiles were flagged earlier, we could’ve predicted the behavior.
     

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