No one is happy with how this team has been playing but to fire Mangini is knee jerk at this point. He inherited Herms team and went 10-6. He dismantled that team and we were playing with practice squad guys at some positions during last years 4-12 season. Clearly they were eyeing gearing up and getting some players in free agency to become a true 3-4 team. The jury is still out on this coach and I think more time is appropriate. They have done pretty well drafting and he has to do better with adjusting at half time and dealing with Sutton. Clearly the players don't like Sutton but don't you think there has been enough progress here to wait and see?? If we fire him....it shows how unstable the organization is and shows that we lack committment to truly find out how good or bad this young coach can be. A bunch of new players this year along with a new quarterback that missed most of camp. He definitely needs to show more but lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater IMO......
Stability is key to long term success in this league. The losses are difficult to tolerate, so the idea is lost in times like this. While Mangini is doing a lousy job, Jet history suggests they may hire someone worse. Walt Michaels > Joe Walton > Bruce Coslet > Pete Carroll (rookie coaching season only) >>>>> Rich Kotite Bill Parcells > Bill Belicheck > Al Groh
So, you're asking us to keep a mediocre coach because our history suggest we'll hire another nobody or worse? I guess 10-6 really is the bar for this franchise these days.. Fckn sad.
True, but Cowher is not coming to an organization that just fired a coach after only three years and a 9-7/10-6 season. If he wants to join a dysfunctional organization, he can go to ones with more talent like Dallas and San Diego.
99% of all coaching hires turn out to be mediocre. So few ever win a Super Bowl which I think is the bar you are referring to.
Yo I aint saying that we settle for mediocre.......if the f er can't get it done....he has gotta go!! But year three and like I said in my original post.....
the organization does need stability, however in order to have stability you have to have someone who can do the job. not getting rid of a guy that you KNOW is not going to get the team where they need to be does absolutely nothing for stability other than push that stability you crave for out another year. not firing a guy because you want stability and he underperforms is an absolutely terrible plan. should we have wanted to keep stability when kotite was here? he only got 2 years to do the things he needed to do. no they got rid of him because he SUCKED. just like herm sucked and now mangini sucks. there will be stability when you find someone who brings stability and doesnt suck.
I think this organization needs winning. Obviously if you are winning you will have stability. To claim you need stability first is to put the cart before the horse. You bring in a coach and FO that can win constantly, and I'll show you a franchise that won't change coaches. Also that Herm team went to the playoffs the year before, the only time Herm failed to make the playoffs is when his teams had injury problems. With Mangini, he's gone 4-12 while being healthy. Neither is a great coach, but I think Herm is actually the better of the two.
To the contrary. You build a stable organization to act as the the foundation. The organization has to have a long term philosophy that it lives by in terms of type of team, players and systems , then you bring in coaches that can thrive in that system. The Steelers had that all in place when they hired Cowher 17 years ago and Tomlin two years ago. They have had three coaches in our lifetimes and generally seem to be competing for Super Bowls on a regular basis. The Giants are on only their 3rd GM since 1979. And they all subscribe to the same philosophy and that team has been as consistent as can be expected. The Titans haven't achieved as much, but one GM for a long time and the same coach for 15 years has helped them generally win more than they lose. Indianapolis has poured this foundation as well.
Neither Chad Pennington nor Jonathan Vilma were healthy last season and they were the # 1 leaders on either side of the ball. More than anything, that leadership has been absent this season. And you are right, Herm to this point has proven to be a better coach than Mangini.
you may think i disagree with you but i really dont. i actually agree with most of your points. however eric mangini is not the guy to finish off your stability with. i would not be happy if we decided to go back to a 4-3 tampa 2 defense next year. however we need a change at the top, we have made great strides in bringing in good players through the draft, thank you drafting people and tannenbaum. there should be no changes in that situation. the ownership is not fixable, he is the owner he will be the owner and own how he chooses until he chooses not to (i think that made sense) but the coaching is not stable and will not be stable with eric mangini.... all you get with staying with him is at least another year until you can get the right coach and begin to become more stable on the field. the switch from 3-4 to 4-3 to 3-4 has certainly caused a ton of instablity in this team. but the owner and gm decided to make those changes and ill be honest i would have been more than happy bringing in a guy who wouldnt go and try to turn over the entire team in his first 3 years. but that goes back to building that stability at the very top, and there is nothing that can be done with woody. hopefully tanny understands that bringing in monty kiffin next year is not going to be a good idea.
Guys... It's not even about winning and losing - like I said years ago, I do NOT mind watching a losing season AS LONG AS THE TEAM SHOWS COMPETITIVE GAME WEEKS AFTER WEEKS. That means the team trying to establish its identity. The team is moving in the right direction. Maybe not fully functional from day 1, but I'd be more than content if the team had competitive spirit. Do you know where such competitiveness comes from? That comes from accountability. Everybody - the players, coaching staff, scouts, whoever - has to be accountable in his given area of responsibility. Look back for the past few weeks. Where was the accountability? Had it not been for that send-the-kitchen-sink blitz that luckily created the fumble, Jets are 0-4; and the worst part is, not a soul is taking responsibility for that. Not a single soul on offense, or defense - or better yet, the coaching staff - has stepped forward since the team screwed up. That's not how you build a competitive program. Ultimately, I tend to think that, Mangini is not taking the responsibility like he should, which makes me think that he needs to go. NOW. I mean, stability is important, but you do NOT want this sort of irresponsibility to set in your program and become the staple of your franchise.
Then we are on the same page. Tannenbaum needs to commit to a scheme and type of players. You are correct that Mangini is likely not the guy. But before firing him, you better have already identified his replacement. If that guy is not available, better to wait another year and have Mangini around to at least continue implementing the system. No more dog and pony shows ineterviewing 6 candidates and finding the best among them. Figure out beforehand what and who you want and move forward. If your choice is not black, you still have to abide by the Rooney rule and interview one candidate of color.
